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Bloodlusted non-jobbing Luke vs Valkorion, Dread Masters, Revan, Vaylin, and Arcann
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Rockydonovang
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everyone here is fodder for Luke,

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AncientPower
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Absolutely untrue on every single level.


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Luke gets stomped.


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The Ellimist
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Bloodlust was enough to bring TCW Maul to Sidious's tier as a duelist, now imagine that happening to Luke.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So the incarnation slugging it out with Caedus?



Not all bloodlusts are created equal, lol.


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
kek

Bloodlust was enough to bring TCW Maul to Sidious's tier as a duelist, now imagine that happening to Luke.


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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Sidious literally blitzed bloodlusted Maul in TCW


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The Ellimist
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Has Luke Skywalker ever managed to:

1. One-shot a Darth Marr level opponent?


Ahahahah dude I literally joke about this!


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Kek so given that you've assumed Jaden <<< Vong Krayt, I suppose you think now that Murr >>>> Ragnos?

You still haven't given a coherent justification for your Murr spirit scaling beyond weird tangents about Jaden Korr.


That makes absolutely fvck all sense and I don't see how you even drew that conclusion. My point is that despite Marka Ragnos' spirit being empowered by the collective energies of focal points of Force energy from Yavin IV, Korriban, Dagobah and more, he was still defeated handily by Jaden Korr. Why? His host Tavion was too weak. Likewise, Muur knows he could regain his power and return to physical form by transferring from a weak host in Celeste Morne to a much more powerful Force user such as Vader or either of his children. Ergo Prime Muur > Spirit!Muur. It's noted outright in Jedi vs. Sith that Sith spirits are bound by limits.

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There's no reason to believe that these attacks are beyond Luke's ability to defend due to their esoteric nature. Luke himself has read all of Palpatine's major works and several other books on sith sorcery, so the burden is on you to establish that Valkorion has some trump card that would actually be effective.


Given that Sidious' remaining records as collected by Luke in Book of Sith only refer to his Force Storm technique and his Alchemical advancements, I think not. Valkorion has displayed far more than just Sorcery and even then it's stated that Caedus' sojourn taught him more techniques than Luke ever did.

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Notice how they all die under mysterious circumstances against a prepped nexus Vitiate?


Notice how Vitiate is massively inferior to Valkorion?

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Yeah that sounds like Alema to me. Luke himself has created real-life copies of the Jade Shadow, projections of himself, and projections of entire starfleets. All of these were without prep and not on a nexus.


What Alema did wasn't Sorcery, what Vitiate did was. Nor have you accounted for his much more impressive Monoliths, which he created in a spiritual form before becoming vastly more powerful.

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This is peak non-jobbing Luke, AP.


Define non-jobbing, if it's ignoring every showing where he doesn't stomp then this is a loaded gun.

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And oh, thanks for bringing up UnuThul. Luke can no-sell the telekinesis of a guy drawing on the combined Force potential of trillions of killiks who can bend turbolaser bolts.


Valkorion has devoured the Force essence of two entire planets, from blades of glass to colour itself. Including untold millions of Sith. The spirits of whom are present within Vitiate in the novel.

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Lol where's the evidence Valkorion and the Dread Masters practiced ganging up on a single combatant in a duel?


The centuries they engaged Revan mentally.

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Why?


The Dread Masters used the most extremely advanced sorcery to achieve this. It isn't Dark Transfer which achieves it's aim not via power but via spiritual manipulation.

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He beat Sidious in Dark Empire and his only help was the incredibly suspect and barely mentioned "unlocking hidden resources" of Leia that may or may not have happened.


I've engaged in this debate a hundred times and I'm not doing it again. Leia unlocked Luke's potential and that allowed him to defeat Sidious. Given Leia could personally one-shot Sidious due to her uber pregnancy, and that Sidious completely dominates Luke prior to this, I see no reason to believe that Leia's aid wasn't mammoth.

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Lol so that's "game mechanics" but cinematic filters prove Valkorion is galaxy-level? OK then.


Nah, the mass Force visions that are given out to Force users across the galaxy so as to prevent Vitiate from reducing every star to a black, colourless void does. Play Shadow of Revan. The Dark Ritual was a lesser feat.

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If any of them compare to Caedus changing the will of the Force and deflecting turbolasers let me know.


Mastering the power of the Phobis Devices that could turn trillions insane is pretty neat. Oh and he never did that.

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Yes, she's the only one who beats Valkorion for that title. Just read the Revan novel. thumb up


The Revan novel where he's focused entirely on defeating an opponent who by now is pretty vastly beyond Reborn Krayt in power, yeah. Sheev gets blindsided every time he dies. Abeloth is just genuinely the most inept combat tactician for her weight class. She gets outsmarted by literally everyone she faces in Apocalypse.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Luke has a very consistent track record of defeating more powerful foes through superior skill, which is literally the exact situation with Valkorion even if we pretended Valkorion was more powerful.


You mean Sidious where he had Leia? Nyax where he had Mara and Tahiri? Abeloth where he had Krayt?

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol you just pulled that out of your ass. It's only vaguely implied in some material that Leia did anything at all in the saber duel, let alone "ungodly amounts".


Given all of the surrounding circumstances and their previous engagements, it's not just out of my ass. It's common sense.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
What are you talking about? Show me these massive ships please. I'd especially like it if you could show me the ones as big as Vader's fortress, but I suppose we can settle for cruiser size.


Some of them appear long enough to be a good portion of the size of the Spire which dwarfs surrounding skyscrapers. Just watch the video.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
OK, so he killed the crew - he still didn't physically damage the ships themselves.


He causes clear damage to a number of those ships.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
He guided himself to Zam's speeder but was still falling really fast. All you've demonstrated is that an injured/barely conscious Arcann is a little bit weaker in durability than AotC Anakin. How is this relevant to the thread at all?


It's relevant but you evidently can't read. Anakin used the Force to guide himself down to lower lanes of traffic, and the distance he actually falls isn't that great at all. Arcann fell at least four or five thousand feat after being blasted off the Spire by a blast at least three times stronger than the one where individual bolts downed cruisers.

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You should just cut this out of your next reply because it's a worthless feat that proves nothing and you're now entirely on the defensive.


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Originally posted by The Ellimist
No, it wasn't. Reading comprehension is your friend, authors always have a license to be subjective, that doesn't mean everything an author writes is wrong; it's not subjective that Plagueis speculates he may have surpassed all sith before him and then the blurb, which is not from Plagueis's point of view, just happens to confirm it. There's no evidence that there was intentional deception or misdirection.


You're missing the point, the blurb is debatable and not binding whatsoever. Given Valkorion's vastly superior feats and the fact that Plagueis' actual combat feats can't be argued beyond Revan, it's not looking good.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
AHAHAHAH Plagueis's death literally realigned the Force so much that the dark matter of the galaxy changed the orbits of the stars and planets.


If you're actually trying to pass this off as anything more than poetic hyberbole taking place from Sidious' point of view, then Valkorion is genuinely a God.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
Sidious created a galaxy-wide dark side nexus after his master's master's master had pierced the galaxy-wide nexus created by the combined Jedi Order.


No, he contributed to an ever-growing imbalance to the Force and then inherited the power void Plagueis left upon death. Revan was far more powerful than Malak by entire magnitudes and yet Malak was the root cause of the inability of Jedi to sense Dantooine's devastation. Revan himself became a festering cancer in the very fabric of the Force upon his return that was ever-present. Yet Valkorion dwarfs Revan.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
And Sidious's death literally rebalanced the Force itself, a feat that required the creation of the Star Wars Jesus figure.


Anakin rebalancing the Force didn't just wipe out the Sith though, this has been outdated for years. He was destined to replace the Father to balance the Son and the Daughter's ever fluctuating power which could devastate the entire galaxy. Interestingly, the Son was seemingly holding the advantage at this time. Beings vastly more powerful than Sidious ever dreamed of being. Plagueis, to at least some degree, has been retconned.


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