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Master Kadub
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: TEXAS
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Something Buggin me about Dooku?
This has been bothering me for weeks and it has been touched on before, but not really discussed..
Count Dooku in comparison to other Sith Lords in the movies and in the books just doesn't match up....
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He has been discribed as leading a group of planets in the outlining systems in revolt to secede from the REPUBLIC in EpII...
Now going by what we know of Dooku, as being part of the Jedi Council at one time and fully aware of the prophecy; are his actions in prepartion of what is to come or is he seeking power and greed?
Is he using Darth Sidious or is it the other way around?
Count Dooku by all intent so far comes across more as a Dark Jedi as oppose to a Sith Lord. I suppose we will have to wait til the movie comes out and maybe even EpIII to have this truly answered......
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Last edited by Master Kadub on Jan 14th, 2002 at 06:34 PM
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Jan 14th, 2002 06:06 PM |
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yerssot
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spoiler tags!
Well, nobody knows WHO the prophecy is talking about... just a person
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Jan 14th, 2002 06:13 PM |
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finti
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maybe the siths dont care or fear any jedi prophecy`s. They got their own agenda.
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Jan 14th, 2002 06:16 PM |
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sand person no. 10
where are the other nine
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I don't think that dooku is even a sith, where's his darth name, i know people say tyranus but were have they got that from, isn't he a bit old to be an apprentice. i think its far more likely that he just has similar beliefs to sidious and that sidious can see that by supporting dooku he will continue to climb the lader to emperor.
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Jan 14th, 2002 07:42 PM |
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queeq
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Where Dooku comes in and what his aim is, will have to be sorted out. That may even take until EpIII though.
And the Darth Tyranus thing seems pretty secure. That name has been circling for over a year now and nothing has contradicted that so far. It seems pretty set.
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Jan 14th, 2002 07:52 PM |
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bigsef2
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Location: United States
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rumor is dooku thinks he IS the chosen one, but thats just a rumor.
Personally, I think Sidious is using Dooku, and Dooku realizes this. He just doesnt care because he's using Sidious, too. In the end, I think Dooku will realize Sidious true goals and turn good. Anakin will then kill him, b/c Sidious will tell him Dooku is responsible for killing his mother. Thats when Obi-wan realizes he has to kick anakins ass
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Jan 14th, 2002 08:48 PM |
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jedi212guy
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I definitely don't think that Dooku will turn good. That would make Anakin's redemption less meaningful.
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Jan 14th, 2002 09:05 PM |
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queeq
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Why?
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Jan 14th, 2002 09:13 PM |
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bigsef2
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Dooku is already an almost ambevalent character as it is. He is shady, but from what we know now, doesnt strike me as truly evil. I think it will be a case of the enemy of your enemy is your friend. In this case, the mutual enemy is sidious and his clones.
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Jan 14th, 2002 09:31 PM |
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queeq
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I kinda like that approach, but I have to see AOTC first.
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Jan 14th, 2002 09:33 PM |
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bigsef2
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Yeah, the scriptment doesnt really tell us much detail as to the characters motives at this point
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Jan 14th, 2002 09:35 PM |
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REXXXX
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What are those ten things? I can't see them!
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Jan 15th, 2002 02:36 AM |
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bigsef2
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Location: United States
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there arent 10 things, it was just his way of creating space so we would have to scroll down to see the "spoiler."
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Jan 15th, 2002 02:57 AM |
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Master Kadub
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: TEXAS
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Catch up time.....
The situation with Count Dooku.....well lets see?
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Count Dooku is taken as apprentice by Sidious more as a figure head....like assistant....this was discussed some months back when people found out who Sidious's next apprentice would be.........and true he does take on the name 'Darth Tyrannus' which emplies Sith Lord, but like I said previously; I find his motives more in line with a Dark Jedi instead of a Sith Lord....
And true the only way I feel that Sidious is to get rid of Dooku is to lead Anakin to believe Dooku kill his mother.....
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Jan 15th, 2002 03:28 PM |
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jedi212guy
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Location: Danville, Kentucky
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IF Dooku betrays Sidious, it must be AFTER Anakin's fall. Isn't the point of having only two Sith is that the weaker one can't rebel by himself?
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Jan 15th, 2002 07:46 PM |
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queeq
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And if he does, he becomes Master himself.
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Jan 15th, 2002 09:15 PM |
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Dim
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Location: Southern California
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Which he doesn't...so I'm guessing that Palpatine gets rid of him someone..maybe Dooku just turns out to be weaker than we would think.
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Jan 16th, 2002 03:39 AM |
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bigsef2
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Location: United States
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My understanding is that its not that there can only be two sith. It's that they come in pairs. A master and an apprentice, no more, no less. I think the point yoda was trying to make is that SOMEONE obviously had trained Maul, that the Sith religion had been secretly passed down from master to apprentice over the generations. EU says that in the past there were thousands of Sith, doesnt it? I'll have to check my abacus, but i think a thousand is more than 2.
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Jan 16th, 2002 02:47 PM |
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yerssot
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it is???
And you are correct, Darth Bane (EU) was the one who made the new rule after all the lords failed to destroy the Jedi
(check the comic Jedi vs Sith for that)
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Jan 16th, 2002 03:03 PM |
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master harmax
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Bombay, India
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This is a good one - I just made a similar post on another thread -
the thing is the reason Dooku quit the Jedi order was because he was pissed of that ALL the Jedi had to report to ONE supreme chancellor and that chancellor controlled the Jedi to the extent where they were compelled to obey his wishes - and this system was responsible for the death of Qui Gon his student - and Dooku didn't want to be part of such a system - the thing is ultimately by serving Darth Sidious, he's serving the very Supreme Chancellor he didn't want to serve and which he quit the order for. So it is possible that even HE doesn't know that Sidious is Palpatine. And in Ep.3 there could be a scenario similar to the one described by
Bigsef. Dooku turns good once he realizes that he is being used by Sidious who IS Palpatine - but by then Anakin has grown more powerful and ultimately kills Dooku ( I'm not sure whether this is before or after his defeat by Obi Wan ) and becomes the new Sith Lord, unlike his son Luke who years later, resists the road of darkness in ROTJ and DOESN'T kill the existing Darth lord to take over as the new Sith sidekick to Sidious.
By the way whats the difference between a Dark Jedi and a Sith Lord - sorry for asking but I'm not entirely up to speed on some things as the rest of you guys.
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