wow! whyd they cut the force choke thing from the movie?!?! aside from that, I will remind you that anakin learns the force choke thing without any dark side training at all, and i dont want to hear any crap like, "of course, hes the chosen one," because thats just plain silly. as far as the distance thing goes, not that it can compare to lightyears, but yoda directed lukes x-wing right to his hovel, so he would have had to start adjusting lukes course at a fairly high altitude. And even luke could SEE things that were happening a very long ways away, such as when he saw his friends suffering on bespin. it shouldnt be too much of a stretch to learn to start causing actions in those places.
yeah, it would probably be more dramatic seeing the force choke for the first time when anakin kills the tuskens. not that well be seeing it anyways. Aside from that, one of Zahns books said that Yoda guided Lukes X-wing to where yoda was. If you notice in the movie, Luke pretty much loses control of his X-wing when he gets in the atmosphere, all the displays start going whack. So while it IS just EU, it was also in the first authorized star wars book in recent memory, and from the foward to the book, Zahn thanks Lucas for helping him with ideas, etc. It always just seemed to make sense that Yoda would have to guide Luke to him. Luke wasnt THAT well trained in the force to pick out a spot on a whole planet.
Actually who cares whether Dooku knows Sidious is Palpy and all that - all I know is Darth Vader is a really cool name and sounds scary - Darth Maul is a really cool name and sounds scary- Darth Tyrannus is a really cool name and sounds scary - but Count Dooku doesn't sound half as scary as even, say, Bjork - yeah that's right ... Count Bjork sounds more scary and impressive than Count Dooku.
luke SAW the exhaust port and knew what he was going for. Aside from that, Luke lost control of his X-Wing which is why he crashed in the first place. OBVIOUSLY luke couldnt have used his instincts to guide the X-Wing to where yoda was if he had no control over his ship. Added to that, an authorized star wars book, which is the only thing to comment on the matter, says yoda guided him there. as far as im concerned, its an open and shut case.
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Well, in all canon sources it is left open. And did Luke just happen to enter orbit at the right part of the plant by luck? I don't think so!
It wasn't a matter of being able to SEE the exhuast port! Your eyes can deceive you, remember? It was his forcer instinct that let him take the shot- effectively 'blind'.
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you dont know luke entered the "right" part of the atmosphere. Yoda could have taken him through the atmosphere halfway around the planet. obviously were not seeing lukes real-time landing, because the sequence is only a few seconds long. we just see the few seconds before he actually lands.
and on the other matter, luke did see the exhaust port. he visually saw it with his own eyes and used the force to let him know at what point to fire. even if luke had his eyes closed the whole time, or only saw it from a great distance, he still had already seen the schematics of the death star and had a basic idea of how far down the trench it was. to my knowledge, luke was given no schematics of the part of dagobah yoda lived on. sure, cannon doesnt spell out exactly what happened, but it only takes a little logical reasoning to determine the probable answer.
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He didn't see if with his own eyes- he would have been moving FAR too fast.
And I think it only takes a little thought to see that Luke experienced heavy turbulence but was NOT wrenched halfway around the planet, which is just silly!
As is the idea that Yoda could just whip the X-Wing around that fast. When he moved the X-Wing it was a gradual, slow motion- as we are also led to believe moving large objects will be in AOTC.
Of all the strange ideas!
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i am correct in assuming you are calling your own ideas strange?
first, we have an authorized book saying yoda guided luke to his location. without anything to contradict, that should be enough to satisfy you. the only thing we have that disagrees is your opinion (and of course the opinions of people who would be inclined to agree).
Secondly, you dont seem to have notice that i said even if luke didnt actually see the port, he still had seen the tactical readouts of the battle station and had a general idea of where the exhaust port was. luke also had been looking through his viewer earlier, which had a countdown to the exhaust port location. your subconscious keeps track of all that stuff. we have excellent internal clocks. that aside, ive played the videogames where that mission was run and you can see the ports from quite a distance. even though its just a videogame, you would have to agree that picking a target on a straight line path at a given, known distance is ALOT easier than finding one little hovel on an entire planet.
and who said yoda would have to move the x-wing at all. it was already moving at hundreds of kph in the atmosphere. all yoda had to do was nudge it in the right direction, its momentum would keep it moving on its own just fine. simple physics.
even if you want to argue that luke actually had control of where the x-wing was going, which we obvioulsy know he didnt, yoda could easily have manipulated lukes mind to bring him to his location. not direct mind control, simple coersion.
any way you look at it, yoda is responsible for luke landing where he did on dagobah.
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Well, maybe, though we still have no evidence that you can use the Force at such a distance. I think it was just 'luck'- or the Will of the FOrce, as made manifest through Luke;s instincts. He crahsed near the right place because he had an insticntive idea where to go.
As for the exhaust port, forget the bloody computer games. NO normal human could hit that target. Even Wedge said it was impossible, the hi-tech computers could not do it...
LUKE USED THE FORCE TO HIT IT! As everyone knows.
And no, nothing said in non-canon sources cuts any ice with me at all- and that goes for a LOT of people here.
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Luckily you said that it was obvious, I have no idea what you two are talking about, but the hitting of the exhaust pipe was clearly with the help of the Force
i never said it wasnt because of the force. that whole discussion was to illustrate that luke wasnt strong enough in the force yet to find yoda on his own. even by instincts. its quite clear to me that yoda was in control
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