Quote from Dooku "We outnumber them a hundred to 1" quintillions of battle droids +T-canon quote= quadrillions of clones, finally killing that Karen Traviss statement
And yes the Republic takes this. 10,000 Jedi, Kuat defense fleet composed of dreadnoughts capable of taking on a thousand Recuscant-class light destroyers, quadrillions of clones, thousands of Venators, and Victories=crispy Vong
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Last edited by Lord Stark on Oct 15th, 2008 at 09:17 PM
The Yuuzahn Vong primary ship, the Miid Ro'ik is more powerful than a ISD in a fight. The ISD is FAR more powerful than a Venator. Miid Ro'im would literall tear Venator's to shreads. To demonstrate,
a Venator has twenty turbolaser cannons. Sounds pretty good but an ISD has SIXTY turbolasers. Add to that the fact that Imperial turbolaser technology "recycles" power three times as fast as prior turbolaser technology and you find out that a single ISD has the turbolaser firepower of NINE Venators COMBINED! A Miid Ro"ik is even more powerful than that.
Next, remember that the Yuuzhan Vong have tons of an even more powerful ship, the Uro'ik v'alh. These are considerably stronger than even Miid Ro'ik and also number in the hundreds or thousands.
Also, there are the Worldships, which the Republic doesn't have a fair shot against.
On the ground things go in the Vong's favor as well. Remember that the Vong armor is more or less impervious to blaster fire. The Vong also have massive numbers and better assault weaponry.
If you doubt what I'm saying, just think about this. During their invasion of the galaxy the Vong single-handily took on the following:
New Republic
Imperial Remnant
Chiss
Hutts
Hapans
Mandalorians
Yevetha (who alone had more than ten thousand capital ships)
The Old Republic would get raped.
EDIT: I would also like to add that it did take the Vong thousands of years to get to the galaxy. There is no proof necessarily that it was a Yuuzhan Vong ship that Canderous incountered. Living doesn't automatically mean Vong. They had been outside the galaxy for about fifty years, wating because they were afraid to fight the Empire at it's peak.
Also, the Emperor I don't believe was the one who knew about the Vong, it was Thrawn who had encountered them in the Unknown Regions and was planning to build up a force with which to defeat them.
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Hell, the Vong were frightened of the Empire even post-DE, hence why they arranged for Nom Anor to arrange the destruction of the Imperial Interim Ruling Council and Xandel Carvius.
And yes, Palpatine was aware of the Yuuzhan Vong, at least a couple of years after the Invasion of Naboo. It was the reason he attempted to destroy Outbound Flight.
No, the Republic fleet will handle them, thousands of Venators. The Vong was scared shitless of the remains of the Imperial fleet. If the Vong were so powerful, why not attack the Empire right after the Clone Wars. With the shipyards at Kuat, Rothana, and Fondor the Vong will soon find themselves overwhelmed. BTW: the Republic had access to Imperator and Tector class cruisers in the Clone Wars
Maybe the reason they didn't attack after the Clone Wars is because they weren't ready plus they were scared of the Empire because of how organize it was compared to the republic.
On another note I wish there was information on Vader's thoughts of the Vong. If the emeperor knew of them then there is a good chance Vader would know something of the vong given his place as the emperor's apprentice and his place in the imperial militarty.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on Oct 16th, 2008 at 12:09 AM
He may be second, but that doesn't make him privvy to everything.
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The Old Republic had an organized command structure including the Jedi Order. Masters Kazdan Paratus, Windu, and Yoda have taken on armies of battle droids. The Vong on the ground will get frippled, and in space Mandator-class Star Dreadnoughts, Tector class star cruisers, and Imperial/Imperator-class Star Destroyers, not to mention other classes of massive battlecruisers that the Republic has access to after Palpatine took all sectorial fleets and added them to the Republic's already impressive armada. The sheer number of Republic vessels will thrash the Vong. Millions of CIS ships: Lets say four million warships. Even if all the warships were Recuscants(which they weren't because several Munificients, Providences, and Lucrehulk cruisers) it would take 666,666 republic Venators to counter the Seperatist threat.
I'm not actually sure what it is you're trying to prove here.
I assume that we are talking about the PT era. Even if we posit that the Republic has full use of its peak Clone Army, (topping out at 3,000,000 clones) and fully repaired fleet, there is no way that they can cope with the Vong's superior firepower. Military technology increased drastically during the Empire. The Acclamator class, only a transport is less than one tenth of the Star Destroyer's size. This would imply that the Star Destroyer is at least ten times more powerful, ignoring that the Star Destroyer is a warship- not a transport. Star Destroyers struggled with Vong capital ships. The Vong bio-technology is beyond the ability of the OR to defeat. Even a tenfold increase in power was hard pressed to contend with Vong bioships.
Vong Warrior >>>> Battle droid- especially as depicted in the CWC. With the disadvantage of facing a sentient non-force sensitive, The Jedi will have the same problems that the NJO initially did.
There will be no Imperial class ships: They haven't been built yet! Admittedly, my knowledge of specs in the SW universe is sketchy, but this is the Old Republic fighting, not Pre-ANH Empire.
I don't know what you mean in the last sentence, but Sheer Numbers would not be able to overcome the Vong. With lasers, shields, and engines 1/10 as powerful, the OR ships would be better off colliding with the Vong Capital ships, but they would just get eaten by a black hole. The Vong have massive naval superiority. The Jedi's disadvantage in personal combat (they rely on the force ) negates the OR's best hope: that the Jedi Order's numbers (greater than the NJO's membership) will be able to swing the ground battles, at least. They can't.
well yeah, that was obvious. He had 6 little ships, and some fighters. It was a scouting party attacking an armada. They would have sucked beyond belief if they had actually lost to Thrawn without his superior tactics, as it was, they just plain sucked.
To be clear: He was outnumbered by what should have been IMPOSSIBLE odds. If they were human ships, they would have been impossible, but many of Thrawns tactics were getting the droids to attack themselves, and crash into their own. So they sucked. His superior tactics would never have worked with human pilots flying each ship he faced.
Read the Clone Wars visual guide and Revenge of the Sith ICS. The Imperial I-class SDs were available to the Republic under the name Imperator class, Tectors were also in the Clone fleet. Not 3 million clones quadrillions: as sourced above (quintillions of battle droids outnumbered a hundred to one.) The Revenge of the Sith ICS also states that there are millions of Separatist Warships detained in Outer Rim Campaigns(and yes it says capital ships.) Acclamators were not the backbone of the Republic fleet, Venators are, in Space Venators are supplemented by Acclamator-IIs as frigates, but they also had Imperatos, Tectors, Mandators, and Procurators in their fleets
Thanks for displaying a fair bit of your ignorance. Show any instances of deployment of ISD's or Tectors.
Prove this. Where exactly did Dooku claim quintillions? Show that it wasn't a ridiculous display of hyperbole.
Take into consideration that fact that it took the Kaminoans TEN YEARS to produce 1.2 million clones. Where the hell would quadrillions have suddenly come from? Oh wait, they didn't. There was never that many clones.
And even if there was, it wouldn't matter, as the Vong would merely obliterate every Republic world from space, never engaging them on the ground.
Yes and millions must automatically refer to their combat ready ships? Hell no. The Empire has 25,000 ISD's and a thousand capital ship support craft to back each one up. Does that mean it would take the equivalent of 25,000,000 ISD's to defeat them? No. Use your brain, smart guy.
And we already know that a single ISD is as powerful as NINE Venators, and a Miid Ro'ik is more powerful than a ISD. And I've already informed you that the Miid Ro'ik isn't even the most powerful ship in the Vong fleet.
Dude, I had a lot of respect for you before this, but you've successfully tossed it down the shitter.
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Quintillions is stated in General Grievous: Lord of War AND the ROTS Incredible cross sections. The 100 to 1 is stated by Dooku himself. Odds are he could have even been exaggerating so there at least quadrillions of Clones. Where is it stated that an ISD is as powerful as nine Venators. May I remind you a Venator holds 400 starfighters each. These are not pushovers, they swarm enemy fortifications with more than 4X as many starfighters as ISDs possess. The Miid Ro'ik capital ships would get shredded by Mandators and Procurators, an outdated Praetor-class star battlecruiser's single Ion Cannon, shredded the shields of an ISD in three shots. Imagine an armament of several of these. Mandators are in a similar league of SSDs. Lets use common sense. The Galaxy has quintillions of quintillions of inhabitants, how could the Republic police there worlds while simultaneously taking on the CIS. The Coruscant Guard as of 20BBY according to the new Clone Wars series was 100% Clone Unit. It could take a billion clones alone to police Coruscant with a population of 1 trillion. The US military has as many troops as a Galactic unit, please, common sense dictates otherwise
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) negates the OR's best hope: that the Jedi Order's numbers (greater than the NJO's membership) will be able to swing the ground battles, at least. They can't.
