Co-signed. Now let's all ignore this and not turn into a quagmire.
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mace is good at sabers but bad at force (BS)
yoda is good at force but bad at sabers ( )
anakin is good at sabers but bad at force (not really)
vader is good at force but bad at sabers (really?)
njo luke rocks at everything
sidious is good at force and bad at sabers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gnjyp0nSqc
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Bad isn't the word I would use to describe his force power.
I doubt many people think that
Anakin probably has the most raw power in the force then anyone in star wars but he has hardly mastered it.
Vader isn't bad in saber combat (I believe someone has a quote that says he either mastered all forms save for Vapaad or has a lot of knowledge on them) but his mobility would become a factor vs the faster characters
That is up for debate depending on what time in the NJO series but I don't know enough about NJO Luke and prior to it to answer how powerful he is.
What I'm trying to say is that they always say "ROTS Anakin wins in sabers but loses in force"
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He is amazing at sabers, and average with the force. With the exception of the metaphysical aspect of Vaapad, he has few force showings other than TK- the manipulation of a landslide and Force Crushing Grievous. He isn't superb with the force, but he certainly is powerful.
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Mace tore down entire armies with the force, crushed Grievous with ease(where most jedi failed to harm him with the force), ride a landslide of over a hundred ton of rock. He was also the only known jedi to truly master vapaad, and channel his inner darkness into a weapon of light, or redirect sith lightning with his saber.
I say he is pretty up there. He is certainly far above average.
Was the army killing feat done with the Force? I thought it was just his ridiculous speed- not a force attack. I could be wrong though- it wouldn't be the first time.
The saber duel was hardly easy, and I don't know of any other Jedi attacking the General with the Force at all. Proof please? Just to see where the idea came from- I do believe you.
I gave vaapad as a feat, but it was really a philisophical one, rather than Force related one. All he did with Vaapad was reconcile his love of fighting with the light side of the Force- hardly an example of strength.
This was a function of vaapad- not a showing of strength. Heck, it even says in the novel that Mace wasn't strong enough to continue- had Palpatine continued the onslaught (even while holding back) Mace would have died.
I don't want to say that he's weak, but to put him on a level with Yoda, Sidious, Dooku or other real greats seems irresponsible.
Yes Force amplified blows and speed, not to mention a ridiculous Force wave.
Not talking about the Saber duel, this is in CW chapter 20, Grievous is loading the chancellor into his shuttle, Mace's LAAT arrives, it gets shot down, Mace Jumps out, lands next to Grievous. Grievous immediately draws four blades, Mace implodes the General's chest, and their goes uber CW Grievous, hello lame ROTS Grievous. And in Obsession he smashed Grievous with a STAP. THe General also has dodged Force Pushes on multiple occassions in the CW, and quite casually at that.
I can agree with that in the PT those three are nigh peerless, but we should at least admit he's damn close.
I think it's a sterotype, and Yoda being bad at sabers? Some say that Anakin could beat him in that
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Anakin being able to beat in you in sabers doesn't make you a bad duelist. In fact, Anakin tooled one of the finest swordsman in history with little effort (Dooku).
Though, I do believe that within the PT, Yoda, Sidious, Mace, and to some extent Obi-wan are capable of defeating Anakin in a duel.
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