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Anakin won easily against Dooku. Read the novel, he was "in teh Z0ne."
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Because Dooku can launch lightning, and people are like "whoo... Mace never did anything like that"....
But I think that Mace could easily beat Dooku if he could beat Sidious.
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Urm how about putting Ventress to the floor by merely lifting a finger, whilst Ventress escaped from Mace without too much difficulty in "Schism". The ONLY other Jedi to dominate Ventress SOOOOO Badly is Yoda.
also how about disposing of ROTS Obi1 with a flick of his wrist.
Force tossing The Chosen One on his rear twice in the Clone Wars movie.
and having a Force fight with Yoda, even deflecting one of Yodas attacks, and Yoda didnt actually defeat him in the Force fight(not that he culdnt). But It was only the Saber fight in which Yoda dominated Dooku.
Mace has no such feats agaisnt other Powerful Force users like those feats of Dookus.
and if your talking about Maces TK feats beating Dookus... well in that case Mace's TK feats also beat PT Sidious.
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Mace used a unique style that was ideal for the fight against the sith lord- his reflection of the lightning was a function of his saber style.
Upon re-reading your post, I have found 2 more problems: Mace was unable to block the lightning- the novel has him "choking on ozone" without any strength left to fight against his blade, and that was when Palpatine wasn't using his full power.
Also, Kenobi was able to block (your words- not mine) Dooku's force lightning. Blocking lightning isn't a force feat unless you use your hands like Yoda, Kota or Starkiller. Raskta Lsu was able to catch Bane's lightning but it does not show her Force strength.
AotC Kenobi didn't reflect the lightning. He caught it just like every other instance of Lightning vs. Saber we've seen. ONLY Mace Windu has ever sent force lightning back at its source with a lightsaber.
Tooling of Kenobi, Bulq, Ventress, Grievous, and Anakin with the Force, the Count is nigh peerless with the Force in the PT era sans Sidious and Yoda. And no Mace would not 'easily' beat someone like Dooku. Dooku has in fact defeated Mace in sabers before, many argue: "well Mace hadn't mastered Vappad yet and became far more powerful after TPM" my answer to that is what do you think the good Count was doing then, sipping tea? No he was under the tutelage of the greatest Sith Lord in history; his imperial majesty Palpatine. He was recieving the best training the Dark Lords could offer. Mace has never demonstrated the ability to tool another Force user as Dooku has on multiple occasions. He is quite powerful, but Dooku is simply better
Other people that could defeat him with the force include Kar Vastor and Gethzerion.
When using Vaapad in training sessions, the metaphysical aspects: fueling the fight with love of combat- let alone the metaphysical "superconducting loop" effect- would not come into play. Mace is at his strongest when fighting against the dark side. Darth Tyrranus is of the Dark Side. Mace gets a boost that he didn't have before.
Not true. Darth Maul got the best training the dark lords could offer. Dooku already had been trained in technique- he was already a skilled swordsman and force practicioner. Dooku's "tutelage" under Sidious consisted mainly of learning to tap the Dark Side. Indeed, his thoughts in DR (YDR) suggest that he hadn't had much Sith force knowledge imparted to him at all.
He beat Kar by using the Force. He tooled grievous twice with the force. He's good.
I'm not arguing, but Mace doesn't have as many opportunities to "tool" someone with the Force. The Count has such a much larger roster to pick from. 10,000 Jedi to be exact. Mace has... like 5? One of which is Palps, the other his peer.
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1) Ventress had no way to escape. Dooku slambed her into the wall (i believe). Also i don't believe Ventress expected Dooku to attack her. Dooku hinted that Sidious showed him the same treatment that Dooku showed Ventress. If so would that make Sidious far above Yoda?
2) Mace never fought Obi Wan or Anakin. He did easily take Grievous out with the force. The same Grievous that gave Obi Wan an extremely hard fight... The same Grievous that killed numerous of other jedi, including some masters. Grievous also dodged force attacks from other jedi masters.
3) Yoda never threw any force attacks at Dooku, so what force attack did Dooku deflect? Yoda anly stood there blocking or redirecting everything Dooku threw at him.
4) He defeated Kar Vastor with the force.
5) Do you remember Sidious ripping senate pods from their durasteel restraints, and lifting them high above his head then throwing them at Yoda with ease. He did all this while levitating himself in mid-air, along with the pod he was standing on.
So he was levitating himself, and the pod he was "standing" on? That was redundent of him, no?
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That's it Knightfa11, you've pissed me off for the last time. You're fired.
Ah, crap, now I owe Donald Trump $50.
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Nov 12th, 2008 07:15 PM
FER TEA!!
