Just to throw in my two cents. Unless there is some established, indisputable source saying that Nihilus' Drain works in a specific way, it's absolutely uselss to bring it up. We've got NO source stating how long it takes to use, and we have NO source saying whether a powerful Dark Side user like Vader can block it. It's abolutely useless to bring it in to a one on one duel: no proof for either argument.
Negating that technique, Vader wins all rounds. Handily.
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There's no proof for it taking a long time to unleash. The other side actually has a case.
Um... how? While Nihilus is a complete unknown in terms of lightsaber combat, he is responsible for the single greatest feat of telekinesis in the mythos; Vader's strength lies in just that. Facing one of the few opponents of superior power, he would die.
Of course, Nihilus is still a relative unknown, so I can't say he wins, but there's no logic in declaring Vader the firm winner of all three categories, especially the Force and all-out.
Nihilus' known feats don't have many specifics to them. I won't renew the debacle of Ravager, but that one instance (as powerful as it may be) does not lend weight to Nihilus' overall case in a one-on-one duel with Vader. I can't recall Nihilus employing TK to such magnitude against the Exile and co. And as it's been somewhat agreed recently that the lightsaber feats of KotOR era characters (Force feats too, to be fair) are far too ambiguous, it'd be impossible to give Nihilus the win. Same with the Drain: all we know is that it happened. To be fair, it's true that such ambiguity could make him and all KotOR's on par with the PT.
Wait...
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I agree entirely, although Nihilus, Traya, and Malak have some rather concrete feats. The first casually froze the Exile and co. and could've killed them then and there if he hadn't tried to "drain" a wound in the Force. Traya killed three Jedi Masters and a squad of Sith assassins with a wave of her hand. Malak killed two Jedi Knights who'd managed to fight through the Star Forge's defenses simultaneously, choking/electrocuting one and killing the other with a lightsaber throw, IIRC.
Considering that's pretty much everything that hasn't already been brought up, I renew my request to have people stop using KotOR characters in threads. The rules state that we shouldn't use unknowns, anyway.
No it hasn't been covered. He did not even know she existed until after he used the drain. He found out of her existence when he went to observe his work. Then after he found her, he spared her.
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Sorry about that i thought you were being hostile.
As for the fight and my fanboyism put aside, nihilus wins even without the drain thanks to his "insane TK" but in no way would it be "ownage". If he can squash vader easily he surely can do the same to some one 20% more powerful than vader but with a little more difficulty.
While thie may be true there are some factors involved i believe.
Well one of them is that there were "squadrons" of jedi that were sent to infiltrate the SF and that along the way most of them were killed and those 2 survived, what questions me is that the defences may not have hit every one allowing some of them to live and keep running to where malak was along with the probability of the two jedi's condition being severely weakened by the time hey bumped into a SF empowered malak.
Sorry i can't type properly, a little sleeply.
Last edited by BoratBorat on Nov 20th, 2008 at 02:22 AM
With all the testosterone and adrenaline going through your system, everything's hostile. I'll show ya:
PT>KotOR. Vader's TK>Nihilus' TK. Multiple Sources of Awesomeness>One Source Which Mentions Unseen Awesomeness. Take THAT. Boo Yah! Gimme props.
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How easy was it, and how long did it take for Nihilus to lift the Ravager? Vader did bring down an entire hut, which was said to have been just as strong as durasteel. Vader also force gripped Xizor, who was lightyears away, and that to me is more impressive than Nihilus lifting the Ravager.
Besides how big was the Ravager anyway? Wasn't it smaller than a regular size star destroyer?
We don't know. And it's sort of irrelevant. Whether he yanked it up instantly or slowly pulled it out over a long period of time, it's an unprecedented feat.
That's... pretty dumb.
Considering a "regular size" Star Destroyer is over a mile long, that's not saying much. The Ravager was twelve hundred meters long; again, almost a mile. The only telekinetic feat that remotely compares is Starkiller's handling of the falling Star Destroyer, and even that doesn't really come close in terms of sheer scale.
Really in the end all that matters is how long it took him to lift it out. If he did it in a matter of minutes then he's contender for top TK dog.
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i believe nihilus not only lifted the ravager. he repaired it.not only that he used the force to keep it together all of those years. how the hell does vader bringing down a hut even remotely compare to any of those feats?
Last edited by sigma-ct42 on Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:16 AM
Actually it does. You have to remember this was a free-falling star destroyer, coming down at great speed.
That was speculation, seeing how it stayed together even after his death.
If you read the sentence correctly, you would see i meant Vader force gripping Xizor lightyears away was more impressive.
We see Yoda destroying ships, we see Kyp lifting ship, and Starkiller redirecting one. How many people do we see force gripping others lightyears away?
Who would you fear more, someone who can crush you lightyears away, or someone who has shown he can lift a ship telekenetically?
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Last edited by Dominis on Nov 20th, 2008 at 06:45 AM
Think about it, Vader can actually crush an opponent who is thousands and thousands of lightyears away. Imagine what he can telekenetically do to something up close, if he put a lot of effort.
Last edited by Dominis on Nov 20th, 2008 at 07:21 AM
Great. He has excellent spatial-TK relations. He can do that up close too. What I find highly impressive his lifting up a massive million ton ship. Both are cool things to do. But space and time are physically weightless, a Star Destroyer is slightly heavier.
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Nov 19th, 2008 05:48 PM
i thought you were being hostile.
i know the feeling.
