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If it was retconned that true sith=ancient sith, that explains some things. It doesn't explain the use of lightsabers, non sith species sith lords, or all red lightsaber crystals.


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Originally posted by jaden101
Mostly because his 1st question is

"Is this going to make me a ton of money"

to which the reply is

"Yes"

to which he then replies

"Then it's fine"

All that without looking up from his desk.
Probably doesn't even work at a desk anymore. He probably just sits around a pool signing his name on anything star wars that might turn a nickel.


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Also the original Lost Tribe of the Sith who crashed on Kreth during the hyperspace war had regular lightsabers. This makes no sense since regular lightsabers weren't created until 4800 bby.


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Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Also the original Lost Tribe of the Sith who crashed on Kreth during the hyperspace war had regular lightsabers. This makes no sense since regular lightsabers weren't created until 4800 bby.



what is this about exactly?

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what is this about exactly?


Lost Tribe of the Sith: Precipice.


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Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Also the original Lost Tribe of the Sith who crashed on Kreth during the hyperspace war had regular lightsabers. This makes no sense since regular lightsabers weren't created until 4800 bby.
Retcon?

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Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Lost Tribe of the Sith: Precipice.


oh thx.

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Retcon?


Not really sure how you can retcon that part while all other sources say the Jedi were fighting with power packs and lightsabers weren't really discovered until 4800 bby. Damn you Lucas.


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Gideon's gf took up a lot of my time.


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The "True Sith" Have only been gone for a thousand yeas at the time of KotOR.

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Again, that's where the argument is. Various sources including Kreia state that the true sith left thousands of years before the dark jedi exiles even arrived on Korriban.


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Retcon?

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There was no specific mention of any retcon.


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This game should not even be in the making. A KOTOR-like game for the 360, with a good story and gameplay would pwn.


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I am guessing that more will be explained when the game actually comes out. There must have been an inciting incident that gives cause for the three-hundred years of preparation, rather than thousands.


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Again, that's where the argument is. Various sources including Kreia state that the true sith left thousands of years before the dark jedi exiles even arrived on Korriban.


Oh really? Where exactly? The only source that states something like that is Wookiepedia. There is a reason why you shouldn't trust all things on a site that anybody can edit - regardless of their comprehension skills.

The only quote from KotoR2 needed to solve your problems is this one here:

"Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the true Sith wait for us, in the dark." - Kreia

There you go. Kreia says that Malachor is just like Korriban - and Korriban has always been part of the Ancient Sith Empire. First as capital planet, later as graveworld. The next hint is, that Kreia is talking about the ancient Sith Empire, implying that there only was one. The one that started with the Dark Jedi joining the Sith and ended with Sadow's attempt to conquer the Republic.

In short: The "True Sith" have always been a group of people that fled from the Ancient Sith Empire. And Kreia uses that term to descripe anything related to the Sith, with the exception of Revan's empire: The Ancient Sith, the Sith beliefs (which are even older) and so on...

This should answer most of your questions.

For most of the Sith in the game being humans: You did notice that the game takes place 28 years after the initial invasion of the Sith into Republic space, right? Not only that, most likely, the Unknown Regions where also populated by humans - most recruits would spawn from the conquered territory and would, by chance, be humans. The time setting also explains, why the Academy of Korriban is (again) running. The Sith forces most likely re-opened it for training. Also not a new concept, given that Korriban was also used as training facility for the Brotherhood of Darkness in the times of Bane.

And for the lightsabers: The issue has been subject to change throughout the saga. In the DE comics, Vima-Da-Boda hands Luke Skywalker a 10,000 year old lightsaber which is, de facto, working without any "power cable" attached to it. In the TOTJ comics, when Kun visits Ossus to plunder the planet, he also wants to have "ancient" lightsabers, that are, as it seems normal ones. And finally, the KotoR games themselves pretty much stated that lightsabers were used in the Ancient Sith Empire. Kreia claims that Tulak Hord was a champion of lightsaber combat and, given that he has a tomb on Korriban, he must have lived before the Fall of the Sith Empire (5,000 BBY).

So...how exactly does the game render the entire SW continuity moot? It's the only logical story development following from what we've seen in KotoR 2.

The only thing that I thought being laughable, was the fact, that - watching the trailer - they really attack the damn Jedi Temple on Coruscant with 2 dozen Sith and two headhunters...Shouldn't there be thousands of Jedi around to stop them?


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Oh really? Where exactly? The only source that states something like that is Wookiepedia. There is a reason why you shouldn't trust all things on a site that anybody can edit - regardless of their comprehension skills.

The only quote from KotoR2 needed to solve your problems is this one here:

"Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the true Sith wait for us, in the dark." - Kreia

There's an NEC quote that I'll need to look up and that isn't the only quote from Kreia. She also says that they've been around for "tens of thousands of years".

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There you go. Kreia says that Malachor is just like Korriban - and Korriban has always been part of the Ancient Sith Empire. First as capital planet, later as graveworld. The next hint is, that Kreia is talking about the ancient Sith Empire, implying that there only was one. The one that started with the Dark Jedi joining the Sith and ended with Sadow's attempt to conquer the Republic.

The implications were that the true sith empire included Korriban and Malachor V, while the ancient sith empire included Malachor V. Again, if they retcon the true sith being the same as the ancient sith, then that's fine. But based on the KOTOR games and the NEC, they're not one in the same.

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For most of the Sith in the game being humans: You did notice that the game takes place 28 years after the initial invasion of the Sith into Republic space, right? Not only that, most likely, the Unknown Regions where also populated by humans - most recruits would spawn from the conquered territory and would, by chance, be humans. The time setting also explains, why the Academy of Korriban is (again) running. The Sith forces most likely re-opened it for training. Also not a new concept, given that Korriban was also used as training facility for the Brotherhood of Darkness in the times of Bane.

Yes but the true sith and the empire consisted of only sith species. Granted, Lost Tribe of the Sith: Precipice somewhat retcons that by saying that there were force users in the Tapani sector that did the bidding of the ancient sith lords, especially during the Great Hyperspace War. The point is both sith empires WERE strictly sith species.

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And for the lightsabers: The issue has been subject to change throughout the saga. In the DE comics, Vima-Da-Boda hands Luke Skywalker a 10,000 year old lightsaber which is, de facto, working without any "power cable" attached to it. In the TOTJ comics, when Kun visits Ossus to plunder the planet, he also wants to have "ancient" lightsabers, that are, as it seems normal ones. And finally, the KotoR games themselves pretty much stated that lightsabers were used in the Ancient Sith Empire. Kreia claims that Tulak Hord was a champion of lightsaber combat and, given that he has a tomb on Korriban, he must have lived before the Fall of the Sith Empire (5,000 BBY).

In regards to KOTOR, I believe that was retconned by NEC, and certainly by JvS.


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The only thing that I thought being laughable, was the fact, that - watching the trailer - they really attack the damn Jedi Temple on Coruscant with 2 dozen Sith and two headhunters...Shouldn't there be thousands of Jedi around to stop them?


Apparently only 6.


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