Imo he's never demonstrated top tier TK. It was said he was holding the Ravager together on pure willpower, but after he died the ship was still holding together... Unless you're referring to something else he's demonstrated?
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. But still, Starkiller pulled a Star Destroyer down with his TK. Do you consider him tier 1? Or do you consider Nihilus tier 1 because of his TK and his drain?
I might be biased, but I just hate him as a character.
Starkiller didn't do that, he merely redirected a Star Destroyer by moving it slightly as it was falling. If he had actually pulled a capital ship out of the sky, like Tulak Hord, I would put him in tier one. Theres also the facts that he was portrayed as near equal to Vader to consider and that TFU is an exaggerated material (which I will not be discussing further). So no I don't think he's tier 1. Tier 1.5 (really this should just be tier 2 blargh), a bit above Vader? Yes.
And yeah Nihilus is easily a top tier being imo. Some of the best TK in the mythos and a nigh-unblockable planet killing attack.
I don't remember the exact details of Starkiller and the Star Destroyer. Is it also said in the novel that he only moved it slightly? Even if he only did move it slightly, it's still very impressive that he managed to actually move a starship of that magnitude in mid-air.
I think it's fair to say his TK is extremely powerful, as well.
Nah, Tier 1.5 does make sense. Individuals who have demonstrated skills superior or equal to those like Dooku or Caedus, but are debatably better than them.
You're probably right about Nihilus. I admit I'm biased and just plainly dislike his character a lot.
I don't recall what it actually says and slightly is an ambiguous phrase I was using to be vague. I think he moves it so its pointing down a bit more, so its slowed down on impact and doesn't slide so much. Yeah its very impressive, but as I said TFU is exaggerated so whatever.
It is. But he still isn't tier 1.
Then why not just make them tier 2 and make Dooku and Caedus tier 3?
Nihilus really does have the best tk feat in the mythos, ripping the ravager and an entire star fleet from the surface of a world, into orbit and then moving the entire fleet with his tk.
The star fleet is mentioned in the loading screen btw, also nihilus was providing an atmosphere for his followers with his force powers.
When nihilus died there was no reason for the ship to fall apart, it was in space with no other forces to pull it apart.
It's not ABC logic. Sidious is the grossly superior combatant to Vitiate. Vitiate may be just as powerful as Sidious in terms of Force mastery in power, but you throw in mastery of the seven forms of lightsaber combat and you have Sidious way above Vitiate in terms of raw combat.
Revan is outmatched in speed, force, and raw saber mastery. How the **** can he overcome ROTS Sidious? Let alone DE Sidious?
Revan is underrated as hell because of his lack of feats. He's in all likelihood not that far below Vitiate. There is no evidence Revan would have gotten stronger from his Revan novel incarnation. He sure as hell isn't stronger after being tortured for 300 years. I'll search for the passage, but I am fairly certain that when Revan's memory returns when he puts his mask on he's at max power. I don't have to prove he was at his peak you have to prove he would have gotten stronger.
I put him at about Dooku and Mace's level, which is reinforced by Karpyshyn's statement that Vader~Revan~Bane. But in a battledome fight I can't place Revan above Dooku in a fight based on personal intuition alone.
Also these hypothetical threads are stupid, as they play on the OPs personal fantasy of Revan's powerlevel in the mythos and is intended to be a gigantic circle jerk of what Revan "could have been".
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Keep in mind that small particles of dust, rock or ice in space can be moving at thousands of km/s, especially in orbit above a space-age planet with tons of debris from mass destruction of an armada. The fact that the ship doesn't become undone is pretty impressive, considering this. Unless he used the Force to activate its shields as he dragged it out of the gravity well, in which case, whatev.
"Exar Kun would raise the ship from the planet and put it into service, similar to the way Darth Nihilus raised the Ravager from the ruined surface of Malachor V."
Nah, it was from the surface. How would he get to it if it was in orbit? Fly?
Also, Moosey, do you know how Kun got Naga Sadows ship off of Yavin after he found it? Cuz this implies he did it Nihilus style.
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I wouldn't say, that he's underrated. Some guys from his era are just overrated. Nihilus for example. Or Exile. She was one or two leagues below Revan, and I would say, that she was arround Shaak Ti's level, or below.
Revan, Malak - they are great, becasue their powers aren't exaggerated.
And - as I remeber - Kreia considered Revan as her greatest student. I don't think, that Nihilus or Sion would be able to defeat him.
The Exile wasn't overrated. The Exile is Kreia's greatest student. In the games, she is Revan's superior as per Kreia's admission. And if not, at least close.
Its just that she was highly underrated in Revan due to Karpyshan being biased towards Revan and having never bothered to play Kotor II.
The only reason I made this post in the first place was the only person... I repeat, THE ONLY PERSON who had found clarity in the light and dark sides of the force in the entire SW Mythos, EU and Movies included, no other person in the History of the Star Wars Universe has found clarity in the force such as Revan, it is a hardened and proven fact. Revan has the POTENTIAL... to be just as powerful as Sidious on either sides of the force if he works his whole life doing non-stop training on BOTH sides of the force.
Karpyshan's book was canon, as shown in TOR, Revan is more powerful than Meetra in every aspect, there is NO denying or arguing with that. (Though she should've still been able to take Nyriss, alone even, and with Scourge she should've been able to Curbstomp her.)
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