First, learn what a shoto is.
Second, reported for trolling/ flamebait. That goes for both of you.
Dooku's out of Savage's league.
Dooku can kick or force push Maul long enough to kill Savage with the force.
Tagging the most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy is impressive regardless of circumstance imo.
I'm saying Dooku's mastery of the DS allows him to utilize its power far better than Maul or Savage. Ventress went from being able to at least successfully run from the Count, to being floored with a finger. He's magnitudes more powerful than Ventress on Vjun, and he'll be magnitudes more powerful than Savage. And Maul cannot hope to defeat Dooku alone.
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Last edited by Lord Stark on Jan 4th, 2014 at 04:43 PM
I'm not. I am simply citing the way Dooku fights. He's very good at separating/ incapacitating individuals in 2v1 fightswith his force powers.
Dooku vs. Bulq and Tholme- Bulq KO'd
Dooku vs. Ventress and Assassins- All 3 KO'd with the force
Dooku vs. Ventress and Savage- Savage kept out of the fight with Force Lightning
Dooku vs. Kenobi and Skywalker- Skywalker superkicked out of the fight temporarily. Kenobi incapacitated.
Tagged? When did they ever injure Lord Sidious.
Raw force power does not = mastery of the Dark Side. The increase in power that people get is not equal or somehow proportionate. If it was Dooku wouldn't have been able to pwn Ventress with a finger.
Hardly. Dooku's feats are far superior to the Maul brothers as a team. On neutral ground its a far more even fight, on a nexus the Count would dominate imo.
You must be joking. He TKed and electrocuted three assassins including Ventress while blind and drugged. He pwned Kenobi with the utmost ease, murked Tholme, pwned Sora Bulq, brought down a massive crane.
When has Savage ever shown a resilience to lightning? And when has Maul ever shown a resilience to lightning from a Force user of Dooku's calibre?
Savage is most certainly not more powerful than Kenobi.
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Sure. Dooku vs. Ventress. The Count was able to TK Ventress on their fight aboard his flagship. But Ventress was still able to successfully escape via redirecting Dooku's lightsaber. On a nexus Dooku needed a finger to defeat her. If the increase was proportionate he would not be able to dismiss her in that way.
If you are talking about their duel after the 2v1, Ventress was still able to TK his lightsaber. And removing someone's lightsaber casually does not in anyway equate to killing someone with a finger.
Maul is not Dooku's rival. Maul's showings against Kenobi prove that.
Also you aren't a new member. Seems quite the coincidence a new member joins, immediately addresses my argument point by point all while Intrepid just got his Account Restricted. Reported for dupe account.
1. TCW Season 5 deleted clip, Savage Opress and Darth Maul blocked Sidious's Force lightning, and Maul managed to Force push right through it, so Dooku's calibre is out of the question.
2. Obi-Wan focuses more on swordplay more than he does on defensive Force techniques. So, technically speaking, I'm rather certain, as I've never seen Savage in his prime get TKed easily if not at all by the likes of Sidious, that Savage Opress is can overpower Kenobi using the Force. Both of them, actually. Maul could have stabbed Kenobi in that Force grip on Ryloth but he wanted a good tasty revenge.
1. It isn't non-canon, stop being ignorant. It was an uncompleted scene that fills in for what happened during the duel when Obi-Wan left Mandalore.
2. Maul can control Obi-Wan a hell lot easier than Obi-Wan can control him. Maul choked Obi-Wan with ease on Yellowblade's Landing.
3. Yes, Dooku was the replacement for Maul while Maul was caught in his clinic insanity state on Lotho Minor for 20 years. Dooku looked more normal and had more political control than Maul. Dooku had more resources as Sidious's apprentice. Maul didn't, he was a silent assassin. But Maul in combat can surpass Dooku is what I believe, though not by much.
Evidence? And what does physical strength have to do with it? Maul trained his physical attributes ''to the utmost''.
Yet only released him after flying away a long distance.
They have been portrayed as peers as duelists, yes. But you ignore the circumstances surrounding their duels. In the first one, both were battered either physically or mentally, and Maul won that fight. In their second duel, they fought as equals for a minute or so, but this was while Maul had in mind to keep Kenobi alive, so I fail to see how that does not prove him at least an equal swordsman if not a somewhat more skilled one. The only time when Kenobi ever had the edge was when he fought Maul and Savage in a cave that, because of their size, restricted their movement abilities, and even then, he never got a hit on Maul either, only on Savage, and again, the brothers never intended to kill him; only to capture him. Not to mention, Maul has a very distinct advantage in sheer power, {which he has used several times}, has more technique, has similar physical abilities, is similarly a good tactician, has shown himself as more knowledgeable with respect to arcane powers, is more resistent to pain, etc.
Opress was punching cracks and holes in stone even before his nightsister amp. His nightsister amp amped him physically by around 10 times.
There's just no way Maul is physically as strong as Opress.
Yeah but even before the ship took off Kenobi was floored and clearly too weak to do anything about it.
The first fight shouldn't really count because there were just too many wild factors involved.
The second fight (which I consider the best one in terms of judging their prowess) was the most even. Maul may have wanted Kenobi alive, but that doesn't stop him chopping off some limbs, so I would question how much he needed to hold back there (if at all). And let's not forget that fight ended with Kenobi landing a successful kick on Maul.
Overall I'd say that one showed them being pretty equal.
Then the last one where you agree Kenobi was winning, was supposed to be a peak performance by Kenobi. Kenobi did continuously land hits in on Maul, just not any "lethal" hits. And that's the only time Maul was chucking him around with the Force, but you have to factor Kenobi growing tired from battling both brothers there.
So like I said overall they have been portrayed as equals, but with Maul having greater force feats (pulling the ship off the cliff) and with Kenobi seeming to have an edge in Sabers.
Last edited by Darth Thor on Jan 6th, 2014 at 04:31 PM
I don't really see Kenobi having any edge in sabers.
And lol (really - I actually laughed) at Taay'hai indicating that Maul is = to Dooku. Dooku's trashing of Kenobi... twice... the second time with the Force, would strongly indicate otherwise.
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I'm not sure who you are to choose what counts and what does not; saying that there were ''too many wild factors involved'' is not a satisfying answer.
No? He outright demands Obi-Wan to ''surrender!''.
Jan 4th, 2014 04:37 PM
