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Mace and Yoda vs HoT and Barsenthor

Mace and the HoT cannot use any offensive force powers. Yoda and the Barsenthor don't even have lightsabers.

They fight on the open plains of Dantooine.

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Team 2. Yoda be averse to attacking with the Force leaves Team PT at a disadvantage.

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Team 2. Yoda be averse to attacking with the Force leaves Team PT at a disadvantage.

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Team 2. Yoda be averse to attacking with the Force leaves Team PT at a disadvantage.

Darth Sidious and his royal guards disagree.

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1. Sidious wasn't KO'd by the TK.

2. The guards are mooks without Force powers.

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1. Sidious wasn't KO'd by the TK.

2. The guards are mooks without Force powers.

1. Who cares?

2. You both said Yoda is averse to using the force offensively. I just pointed out two examples where he has.

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^There's also this. Yoda is no more or less averse to using his abilities offensively when the occasion deems in necessary.

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Team 1. Yoda is more powerful than the Barsen'thor, has greater knowledge of the Force, and is a vastly better swordsman. Mace is also a more skilled swordsman than the Hero, and has far greater knowledge of the Force, despite the fact that his raw power may be inferior.

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Team 1 in a good fight.

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1. Who cares?

If you can't kill using the Force, it kind of removes that advantage, doesn't it?

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2. You both said Yoda is averse to using the force offensively. I just pointed out two examples where he has.

Considering that's all that Barsenthor does, and the JK isn't adverse to ridiculous Force usage either is kind of the point.

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^There's also this. Yoda is no more or less averse to using his abilities offensively when the occasion deems in necessary.

Right, he can do the same thing as Obi-Wan Kenobi, with about lesser frequency.

So this boils down to either two people pushing each other around like a geriatric scuffle or pure saber combat. In any case, HoT and Barsenthor seem far more impressive in terms of victories, feats, and combat readiness than elderly Yoda who runs out of stamina and Mace can't capitalize on Vaapad here.

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Team 1. Yoda is more powerful than the Barsen'thor, has greater knowledge of the Force, and is a vastly better swordsman. Mace is also a more skilled swordsman than the Hero, and has far greater knowledge of the Force, despite the fact that his raw power may be inferior.

This is misleading assessment.

Yoda's supposed superiority over Barsen'thor appears to be superficial in the matters of the Force. On top of this, Yoda is restricted to use his lightsaber in this duel.

Mace have no advantage over HoT in any aspect either, I am not sure if Vaapad works against light-siders (most likely not).

I am leaning towards Team 1 after a good fight.

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No, Yoda is restricted to the Force in this battle.

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Darth Sidious and his royal guards disagree.

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Yoda himself disagrees: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." - ESB and The Jedi Path.

Neither of those were serious attacks meant to hurt people. Unless you think falling over a chair is the extent of Master Yoda's titanic power.

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No, Yoda is restricted to the Force in this battle.

My friend, restrictions are as follows:

Yoda and Barsen'thor = Not armed with lightsabers
Mace and HoT = No Force powers

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Since Yoda is left to fight without his lightsaber, he's definitely going to use the Force offensively.

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My friend, restrictions are as follows:

Yoda and Barsen'thor = Not armed with lightsabers
Mace and HoT = No Force powers

Yes. So Yoda isn't going to be using a lightsaber he doesn't have is he?

Maybe you screwed up your grammar a bit? You said Yoda could only use his lightsaber.

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Since Yoda is left to fight without his lightsaber, he's definitely going to use the Force offensively.

Or he'll just keep using it defensively and maybe throw in some counter attacks.

Anyway, if Dooku can press Yoda in a Force duel, the Barsen'thor can overwhelm him in time as Yoda tires.

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Or he'll just keep using it defensively and maybe throw in some counter attacks.

And when has the Barsen'thor shown great enough Force strength to withstand such counter attacks?

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Anyway, if Dooku can press Yoda in a Force duel,

When exactly did Dooku ''press'' Yoda in a Force duel?

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the Barsen'thor can overwhelm him in time as Yoda tires.

Since Yoda is considerably more powerful than the Barsen'thor, his Force aura is going to make it virtually impossible for Barsen'thor to telekinetically impact Yoda. Conversely, Yoda has displayed Force strength on a bigger scale than the Barsen'thor has, which would allow him to overpower the Barsen'thor's aura.

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And when has the Barsen'thor shown great enough Force strength to withstand such counter attacks?

Her feats are good enough for that imo.

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When exactly did Dooku ''press'' Yoda in a Force duel?

When Yoda was making obvious grunts and faces of exertion?

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Since Yoda is considerably more powerful than the Barsen'thor,

Nah.

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his Force aura is going to make it virtually impossible for Barsen'thor to telekinetically impact Yoda.

Nah.

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Conversely, Yoda has displayed Force strength on a bigger scale than the Barsen'thor has,

When?

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which would allow him to overpower the Barsen'thor's aura.

What do you mean by aura?

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That was a fast response.

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Yoda himself disagrees: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." - ESB and The Jedi Path.

Neither of those were serious attacks meant to hurt people. Unless you think falling over a chair is the extent of Master Yoda's titanic power.

Stark provided evidence of Yoda using the Force offensively. You're welcome to say that Yoda's team will still lose; you're even welcome to say that it's not in Yoda's typical behavior to attack with the Force.

But it is an irrefutable, unassailable fact that he has used the Force offensively and will under the proper circumstances.

Period.

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I'm not fast. Shut up. You're fast. I have perfect stamina.

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No, Yoda is restricted to the Force in this battle.

Yoda himself disagrees: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." - ESB and The Jedi Path.

Neither of those were serious attacks meant to hurt people. Unless you think falling over a chair is the extent of Master Yoda's titanic power.

So you think tossing a multi-ton Senate pod at someone wouldn't kill them?

He also blatantly plots to assassinate Sidious. Have you ever considered that Yoda changed philosophies after his offense failed so miserably?

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