Revan is a highly skilled lightsaber duelist.
________________________________ I. Jedi Class & Jedi Training
Firstly, Revan is apart of the Jedi Guardian class of Knights of the Old Republic, in which he is stated to "train for battle and physical prowess. You will focus on combat training and masterful use of the lightsaber." Note that if Revan is apart of the Jedi Guardian class, he wields a blue lightsaber. Now as you can guess, all depictions of Revan in Knights of the Old Republic have him wielding a blue blade: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...-Jedi_Revan.jpg http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...fights_Sith.jpg http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...ights_Malak.jpg[IMG]http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051202225806/starwars/images/thumb/2/22/Shadows_and_Light.jpg/175px-Shadows_and_Light.jpg
Revan is right there stated as eventually having a "masterful use of the lightsaber", and though against numerous statements by Drew Karpyshyn, an individual who has trained extensively in the art of lightsaber combat. Now, this is not just a baseless claim, let's look at two quotes from Jedi Masters. This first one is by lightsaber instructor, Zhar Lestin: "Revan and Malak often came to me for additional training. In particular, Revan's hunger seemed insatiable."
The second is by another one of Revan's masters, Kreia: "At one time, Revan was my padawan. In times past, long ago. but Revan when he had learned all he could, had other masters...that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each.But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi."
As you can see, Revan trained heavily in combat, from various masters. Kreia goes so far to say he learned nearly everything possible he could. To say Revan does not have experience or expertise in lightsaber combat is extremely foolish, due to the sheer fact he was already an expert even before he was the Dark Lord. Now, even further, I wish to discuss his lightsaber styles in the next part.
________________________________ II. Lightsaber Forms
Most people are educated enough on Revan's lightsaber styles to debate appropriately with him, others are not. Let's discuss, shall we? Quiz tomorrow, 50 points.
Though you could have guessed through learning about lightsaber combat from various instructors, Revan "was skilled in all of them [lightsaber forms] - he was always more of a generalist than a specialist," as stated by Drew Karpyshyn. This makes Revan all the more dangerous, because he can change, adjust, or combine lightsaber forms in combat to capitalize on an opponent's weakness. Don't believe me, let's look at it:
Form I : Shii-Cho Hopefully most other canonical illustrations of Revan besides the ones I provided. Form II : Makashi Revan is depicted using the opening stance of Makashi in his first fight with the Sith Emperor: http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...ith_Emperor.jpg Form III : Sorseu Revan would be highly proficient in Soresu thanks to his large expertise fighting Mandalorians in the Mandalorian Wars, as well a Form IV : Ataru Revan is depicted using Ataru in his novel, Revan, along with the illustration in the front cover, and in his duel in The Old Republic (his huge jumps and flips): "The Jedi gathered himself and leapt high in the air, tucking his knees in tight to somersault over his opponent...Revan landed on the ground and wheeled around to face the other man."
And hopefully you can see a resemblance of these two pictures: (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
Form VII : Juyo Revan is depicted using Juyo during his time as the Dark Lord against the Jedi Strike Team (please log in to view the image)
Jar'Kai An illusion of Revan is depicted using Jar'Kai against Meetra Surik (please log in to view the image)
Now as you probably noticed, I left out a form. Why you may ask? Because Niman is Revan's main form:
Form VI: Niman"However, it is my unofficial opinion that Revan would generally have used "Form VI - Niman". This form works well for anyone who is intelligent and adaptable, as Revan obviously was. It has no real weaknesses, and even though it is not as aggressive as other forms it enables the user to unleash powerful Force abilities more easily during combat. Revan was skilled in lightsaber combat, but knew true strength came from using all the other Force abilities in conjunction with lightsaber combat. Form VI would allow Revan to spend less time focusing on lightsaber skills, and more time developing other Force powers."
-Drew Karpyshyn (Author)
I decided to pick apart his fight with the Imperial Guard to show you how noticeable Niman is for Revan:
"Revan lashed out with his foot, delivering a side kick to the chest of the guard who had grabbed his shoulder, sending the man stumbling back... (please log in to view the image)
"He trust one with the Force, the impact hitting the solider square in the chest." (please log in to view the image)
"He came in with a high, overhand chop-obvious feint meant to draw the defenses of his opponent downward, leaving his legs exposed to quick slash follow up." (please log in to view the image)
And now, I will quote what I said at the start:
________________________________ III. What the hell am I doing with my life?
People make the foolish mistake to claim Revan lacks lightsaber feats, this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Revan does not lack dueling feats, and has one of the greatest kill counts in the mythos. Let's start off fresh and discuss him beating two massive Terentateks.
Firstly, I would like to point out, I don't recal anyone who has faced a lone Terentatek and lived (no, Neph lied, or perhaps twisted his word to make it seem otherwise. Nox had Khem Val in his duel with a mere Terentatek), meanwhile Revan faces not one alone, but TWO. Also note that they have a "in-born resistance to the Force.," meaning Revan would need to have used primarily pure lightsabers skills to defeat them. This is very impressive. (please log in to view the image)
Next, I want to skip ahead to his confirmation with Darth Malak. Yes, I understand the fight could have been heavily force-based. However, that does not change the fact he still defeated him, and lightsaber combat existed. Must I remind to you the fact that despite Darth Malak having "extraordinary dark side Force powers out of proportion," he is rather renowned for his lightsaber abilities, not his Force prowess. However, not only did he beat Darth Malak, he beat Darth Malak NUMEROUS times, for he would have to defeat Malak, then Malak would replenish his health, and the cycle would continue for at least 6 times!! Not even this, Revan did not walk right in front of Darth Malak with full health, he was just fighting hundreds of Sith for a long time.
Thus, this leads me to my third point. Revan canonically slaughtered "armies" of Sith, Dark Jedi, and Sith Soldiers. Now time to spam you guys with quotes:
"Your progress is hampered by literally dozens of Sith soldiers, elites, heavy weapons, Sith apprentices, and Dark Jedi." (This is stated twice)
"This area holds the source of power on this station, the Star Forge itself, and it’s teeming with Dark Jedi and Malak’s apprentices."
"Dark Jedi pour from the giant doors, and a battle commences."
"For now though, he [Darth Malak] orders all his apprentices into battle against you!"
"Here you encounter a large number of Dark Jedi crowding this thin, lit walkway. Wade into the fray and execute a number of techniques of your choosing, cutting a swath through the assembled troops until all have fallen."
"During this time, Sith apprentices, Dark Jedi, and the finest Sith shock troops are waiting to demolish your party."
I will continue the next part on the following post below.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
________________________________ III. What the hell am I doing with my life? (cont.)
And finally, this quote proves Revan made his way through the Star Forge via lightsaber combat, not Force spam:
"The next hour is spent frantically blasting, swiping, and crushing countless Dark Jedi and Sith heavy weapons and elite troopers on your way through the decks of the space station."
Now, your probably thinking "so what, sure he killed hundreds of Sith, but they are featless." That is WRONG. These Dark Jedi are NOT featless. They are above your proficient Jedi Knight. Why do I say "proficient"? (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)
They defeated the Jedi Knights assigned by the Jedi Council to aid Revan on his Star Forge assault. The Jedi Council would not assign fodder Jedi to be Revan's backup in case he was injured, so all logic points to these being fairly skilled Jedi, who were defeated by Dark Jedi. Heck, must I really even mention how greatly they were being amped? Hopefully these quotes do justice:
"The Star Forge was an enormous space-station/factory that harnessed the power of an entire star. Within its hull was a vast, intricate network of automated machines designed to mass-produce weaponry, droids, and starships. However, it was more than merely a metal construct. Its shadowed cavities were infused with the dark side of Force, endowing it with evil, breathing life."
"Malak powered the Star Forge with captured Jedi Knights, drawing on their powers to augment the massive input if the Unknown World's star."
"Here on the Star Forge the power of the dark side is at its strongest!"
"Slaughtering" hundreds of Dark Jedi where they are being incredibly amp is one of the greatest lightsaber feats in the mythos, and honestly only replicated by Tulak Hord to Jedi.
________________________________ IV. I still have to write my History essay
In this part, I wish to talk to you guys about Revan's Precognition. Many underrate this factor, and many overrate it.
Revan's battle precognition is undeniably one of the best in the mythos, and perhaps IS the best. Let me provide the quote: "It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."
and then by Chris Avellone: "The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter."
As you can see, Revan's Precognition is a huge booster for Revan, but obvious not an auto win, however some could claim it has been in the past. I am referencing to the fact he utterly destroyed an Imperial Guard in combat (these guys are stated to be feared by even the Dark Council, and to be a match for even a skilled Jedi) via Precognition:
"The guard recognized the familiar ploy, countering it by parrying the overhand chop then quickly dropping his blade low to intercept the inevitable slash at his legs. Only Revan didn't go for his legs. Anticipating that his opponent's defenses would go low, he kept his blade up high, allowing him to end the battle with horizontal cut across the man's exposed throat."
I will argue this precognition will make up for his absence is numerous speed feats, due to the fact he will be able to predict the opponents movements NUMEROUS swings in advance. *motions to the fact he can predict wars months in advance*
________________________________ V. Conclusion (At last)
Revan is a highly capable duelist, and to give him a defeat against someone like Count Dooku solely because of Revan's lightsaber skills is a foolish decision to make. Revan is capable of handling very skilled duelist in lightsaber combat, as demonstrated by his feats and accolades. Thank you for reading.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
That's a pretty impressive resume for an inanimate object.
Greatest lightsaber ever?
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
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Great analysis!
I always thought the Echani thing was more tactical foresight than precognition though.
Also the Soresu explanation is incomplete.
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These comments are starting to get really annoying and pointless...
SHUT UP
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
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I don't even like Revan very much, these comments are just getting extremely pointless and annoying.
EDIT: It's also ironic that you would call me a fanboy, considering your username.
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
Last edited by Emperordmb on Apr 29th, 2014 at 12:50 AM
[QUOTE=14699122]Originally posted by DarthAnt66 among "The most powerful of the Jedi"=average Jedi. [/ what was so powerful about him? Killing a few mandalorians? Killing a Tarentetek? Not that impressive. Defeating weak, under average dark jedi? Defeating a cowardly Sith Lord? Those are the only feats he has
Apr 28th, 2014 11:46 PM
among "The most powerful of the Jedi"=average Jedi.
