By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.
Example 2 (Related to Example 1):-
The legendary Jedi Revan and Malak confront the Sith Emperor in his throne room on Dromund Kaas. In mere moments, the Jedi lay defeated and consumed by the dark side of the Force.
Example 3:-
"If your information proves false, however," the Emperor added, "you will suffer a fate more terrible than anything you can imagine." As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self.
Scourge cried out in anguish as the Emperor's mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.
It was over as quickly as it had begun, the awful vision retreating into his subconscious like a repressed memory as Scourge picked himself up off the floor.
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Now point out to me the so-called preparation aspect of telepathic actions performed in these examples.
Prove this.
See the examples above
Emperor Vitiate does not needs to gather power to telepathically influence his surroundings. He performs this action rather quickly.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on Jun 12th, 2014 at 06:18 PM
Not at all, all Revan did was TK the Emperor to stop him from doing it. Also he can probably just teach the people a second before. He casually said he'd teach Meetra and Scourge how to do it.
Revan isn't the weak link in that regard. He's already shrugged it off. The weak links are Bastila and Satele who have no experience with Vitiate's mind control at all. And Scourge has already stated that his weakness to it.
Lol Vitiate's mind control is the most wanked ability since giga drain. He's not using it on Bastilla and Satele without Revan putting Vitiate on his ass.
Revan never shrugged it of, were did you get such an idea from? In fact if this is the Revan from TOR game then he loses soundly, since he is weaker then Revan Reborn
Waiting for someone does not makes difference or implies preparation. Emperor Vitiate is typically well-aware of his surroundings, thanks to his own capabilities and powerbase. No one can visit his throne without alerting him. Point is that Emperor Vitiate broke both Revan and Malak with barely an effort.
Example 3 also confirms that Emperor Vitiate doesn't needs to prepare to telepathically influence someone. Emperor Vitiate did not break Scourge but he gave him a glimpse of his offensive telepathic capabilities in split-second or lesser period.
Made public would be correct term. However, issue is 'exactly when' Mr. Drew made that statement because he seemed to be unaware of official capabilities of Emperor Vitiate in matters of telepathy at that time.
It wasn't easy to pull off and involved swift reaction and major use of strength on Revan's part.
It remains to be seen how effective others would be at countering the telepathic influence of Emperor Vitiate even if Revan teaches them the technique, I am not sure if everybody can perform as well as Revan was able to.
We're talking about mind domination. Revan in TOR is a result of Vitiate constantly trying to dominate his mind, not Vitiate being in control, which is the case with pre-pre-KotOR Revan and Malak and would be the case if Bastila or Shan were controlled. I'm saying that Revan is no longer under the Emperor direct control. Neither is the HoT, neither is Kira or the other freed Children of the Emperor. And Revan in TOR is still leagues above Bastila, and is at least in league with Satele. The point is, with resistance in mind, Revan isn't the problem so saying he has resisted it for centuries means nothing. Everyone else has to resist it too.
Karpyshyn emphatically confirmed my theory going back since Revan's release. Vitiate can't enthrall any Jedi Master or Sith Lord of note without preparation. He can't do it off the cuff and, to my knowledge, there exists no evidence to the contrary.
Ik, but so? Vitiate was sitting on his ass for dozens of years primarily concentrating on Revan on a Nexus of his Temple, yet he was unable to break him. Revan drew on Meetra's strength for Force reserve and energy, but ultimately it was him who resisted it.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
"Emphatically?" Bullshit. Non-officially and with Drew stating he had no idea about the canon facts.
Tol Braga stated that Vitiate dominated his mind with "a thought" and we see Scourge being shat on just by touching his mind, which is supported by Servant 1 going utterly insane just from being exposed to Vitiates will. Swtore and the codex also says that he destroyed the minds of dozens Jedi who "came too close to him" and that "His corrupting influence is so complete that none can stand in his presence without succumbing to fear, anger and hatred."
Theres no evidence at all that he requires prep, and lots suggesting the opposite.
Karpyshyn helped create the character, was involved in the design of the game, and literally wrote the book about the guy. I'd say he has a pretty refined grasp of the character's abilities and limitations.
It's been 3 years; your butthurt over the fact that I had a better understanding of the character right out of the gate than you should have dulled by now.
As far as the rest is concerned, how would Tol Braga know it required a thought from Vitiate? Can he read Vitiate's mind? Scourge shat himself when Vitiate knew Scourge was coming in the heart of a dark nexus. And if there were "none" who could stand in Vitiate's presence without succumbing, then the climactic showdown in Revan would have been much shorter, wouldn't you say?
His words are still non-official and completely meaningless. My opinion has as much weight as that email.
Actually if you'd recall I had your back at the beginning. After learning more about him and playing the game I was convinced of the other sides argument.
Um, Tol Braga was kind of there when it happened and obviously their minds were linked at the time. He would know if it only took Vitiate a single flex of his will to dominate him. A nexus would boost Scourge just as it would Vitiate so that's pointless to point out and Vitiate didn't know he was coming until like 10 seconds before he walked in. It's an exaggeration, but it still implies that Vitiate needs no preparation and that corruption is a simply process for him to perform.
Jun 12th, 2014 06:03 PM
