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S_W_LeGenD
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Originally posted by Bigblue442
Most Force Powers have range-limits; if you've ever watched the movies or played the games, or read the books, then you've seen this.

Without a range limit, Nihilus would be able to Drain any planet in the Galaxy, without moving his fleet.

Obviously, this is not the case.

Emperor demonstrated the capability to drain his subjects from lightyear distances.

Obviously this Force power is not limited by range as per its nature but that Nihilus have limits.

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"Prepared" refers to more than just one thing:

Remember that Nihilus was moving his fleet into position, to get within range of Telos, and to make sure that he was not intercepted by Republic and Mandalorian warships and forces.

His preparation for the assault would have included keeping his fleet protected while traveling into range of Telos.

That word still leaves room for my argument that Nihilus's Force Drain feats on mass-scale are not instantaneous.

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His ship has no Stealth capabilities and other ships in the system would see a large fleet pulling in.

Your point actually lends credence to the fact that he struck quickly and needed to, in order to maintain the element of surprise.

- Also, the sentence simply says that they didn't know he was en route to the Colony.

Evidence to the contrary is apparent from Telos IV related developments.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well that's just it, only a ritualistic power would achieve that kind of effect

It's too bad that according to Canon, it's not a ritual. smokin'

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Originally posted by Arhael
It has to be a ritual.

Canon says no.

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In normal circumstances he can't drain even a Mandolorian.

He never tried to drain a Mandalorian. smokin'

He did however, easily drain numerous Jedi Knights and Masters with no trouble at all. wink

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor demonstrated the capability to drain his subjects from lightyear distances.

Which means nothing, as his drain and Nihilus's drain are different. smokin'

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Obviously this Force power is not limited by range as per its nature but that Nihilus have limits.

Wrong. You need to do your research before you open your mouth.
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Nihilus has mastered his technique, which means the limit has nothing to do with Nihilus, but with the technique.

Great job on destroying your own argument regarding whether or not Nihilus had to move into Telos' range, by the way. laughing

You're making this too easy for me. There's no sport in it, now. smokin'

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That word still leaves room for my argument that Nihilus's Force Drain feats on mass-scale are not instantaneous.

Canon says it wasn't a ritual, so no.

As you admitted up there, Nihilus had to move his ship into range to drain the planet - so his preparation came from moving his ship.

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Evidence to the contrary is apparent from Telos IV related developments.

Well ante-up, Kid. Show me your evidence.

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Originally posted by Bigblue442
Which means nothing, as his drain and Nihilus's drain are different.

Your argument isn't convincing.

What you are not getting is that Nihilus have demonstrated the potential to expand his drain on enormous scale, targeting lot of individuals in the process.

Therefore, I don't get the distance argument. For further elaboration, lets say that Nihilus is in New York and unleashes his Force Drain powers from there, and his powers eventually reach China, targeting lot of individuals in the process.

So how is the distance an issue? My understanding is that Nihilus is not performing a Force wave, he locks-on the signatures of other Force-users and this is how his powers approach them from considerable distance.

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Wrong. You need to do your research before you open your mouth.
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Nihilus has mastered his technique, which means the limit has nothing to do with Nihilus, but with the technique.

And he still have trouble with the distance factor? He shouldn't, right?

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Great job on destroying your own argument regarding whether or not Nihilus had to move into Telos' range, by the way.

You're making this too easy for me. There's no sport in it, now.

I think that you are not getting my argument.

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Originally posted by Bigblue442
Canon says it wasn't a ritual, so no.

As you admitted up there, Nihilus had to move his ship into range to drain the planet - so his preparation came from moving his ship.

I see contradictions in canon. This is why I brought Telos IV related event into this debate, to dispel the myth that Nihilus can target individuals on planetary-scale instantaneously, something is amiss.

My argument is that Nihilus needs some time to gather power to unleash his powers on planetary-scale. Of-course, this matter is not properly elaborated or explored officially, otherwise we won't be having this debate.

Also, if I am not wrong, Nihilus siphons energy from individuals of his fleet as well, right? Perhaps this is how Nihilus gathers sufficient power to unleash an attack on planetary-scale when he feels the need to.

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