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Darth Vader (EU) vs 50 Kanan's
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RexCloneWarsMVS
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Darth Vader (EU) vs 50 Kanan's

Who would win?

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Canon Vader could do it based on his performance against AT-AT's. EU Vader stomps.


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Either clear imo


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Darth Vader turns Palpatine's Ambush on Kessel propaganda into reality.


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One force user, even Vader, cannot take on 50 Jedi at once, not even close. He loses. He starts out slaughtering, then gets tired, then small attacks creep in, then he loses while there's still many Kanan still standing.


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I actually have to agree with Q.


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Darth Vader turns Palpatine's Ambush on Kessel propaganda into reality.


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One force user, even Vader, cannot take on 50 Jedi at once, not even close. He loses. He starts out slaughtering, then gets tired, then small attacks creep in, then he loses while there's still many Kanan still standing.


Tulak Hord defeated an army of 1,000 Jedi. Vader absolutely demolishes.


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Tulak Hord defeated an army of 1,000 Jedi. Vader absolutely demolishes.



No, Tulak Hord was decisive in battles where 1,000 Jedi were killed



There is a huge difference between killing a lot of force users in battle, i.e. one or a few at a time when they also have other stuff to worry about and get just as tired as you, and where you even have people to guard your back- and having them mob you and only you with nothing at your back, just your one blade having to defend against lightsaber after lightsaber while you're completely surrounded, and for this to go on for a very long time.

No-one can handle that.

Heck, Plagueis almost died to 30-some Maladian non-force using assassins, when he had Sun Guard with him and other targets with him to draw fire and was still saved in the end by Palpatine. This opposition is both larger and more individually dangerous than that.

Is Vader more than twice Plagueis?


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No, Tulak Hord was decisive in battles where 1,000 Jedi were killed



There is a huge difference between killing a lot of force users in battle, i.e. one or a few at a time when they also have other stuff to worry about and get just as tired as you, and where you even have people to guard your back- and having them mob you and only you with nothing at your back, just your one blade having to defend against lightsaber after lightsaber while you're completely surrounded, and for this to go on for a very long time.

No-one can handle that.

Heck, Plagueis almost died to 30-some Maladian non-force using assassins, when he had Sun Guard with him and other targets with him to draw fire and was still saved in the end by Palpatine. This opposition is both larger and more individually dangerous than that.

Is Vader more than twice Plagueis?


^Wait really? And here I thought my man Tulak had a major feat under his belt. And also I chalk that up to PIS. Why can't he just TK them.


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I actually have to agree with Q.

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No, Tulak Hord was decisive in battles where 1,000 Jedi were killed


He also "broke the siege singlehandedly" according to Khem Val. An army which would have included over a thousand Jedi. Now whether this is true or not I dunno.

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^Wait really? And here I thought my man Tulak had a major feat under his belt.


It's still major, like ares834 said he broke the siege, so probably at one point he leapt into enemy lines and cut a bloody swath.

It's just not, like, absurdly over the top.


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And also I chalk that up to PIS.


They were supposed to be near-mandalorian badass.


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Why can't he just TK them.


Because he was killing them with the force left and right, but there's was over 30 of them! You can't do everything at once. It's not like the first time a strong force user has had trouble with a lot of dangerous non-force users.

Also, TK is much less good for killing than lightning. People often get up from being TKed. Lightning or saber is a better kill method.


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Considering Dooku got caught by 50 pirates, I'm guessing 50 Jedi is way too much even for Vader.

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Considering Dooku got caught by 50 pirates, I'm guessing 50 Jedi is way too much even for Vader.


Pfft, that was season 1 Dooku. By season 3, after the likes of Savage Opress can flatten swarms of droids {including droidekas}, Dooku would probably mushroom tap each of those clowns.

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Pfft, that was season 1 Dooku. By season 3, after the likes of Savage Opress can flatten swarms of droids {including droidekas}, Dooku would probably mushroom tap each of those clowns.



Well even in Season 5 an injured Savage and Maul were shot down by the same 50'ish pirates. So not entirely sure the show's stance changed much on that front.


Depending on context and positioning of the combatants however I'm sure those 50 pirates could be toast under different circumstances.

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Pfft, that was season 1 Dooku. By season 3, after the likes of Savage Opress can flatten swarms of droids {including droidekas}, Dooku would probably mushroom tap each of those clowns.


Droids fall apart to pushing much more readily than living beings.


And Dooku is one character who's skill and power likely did not change at all between seasons, he'd maxed out.


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50 weaklings that, unlike an AT-AT, all have force barriers and decent Jar-Kai skills. Vader would lose.

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I think it depends upon the environment, if he can bottleneck them through hallways or sone kind of cave system, he just slowly but surely kills them. If it's wide open then yeah it'd be reaching for anyone short of Darth Sidious to pull it off.


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Well even in Season 5 an injured Savage and Maul were shot down by the same 50'ish pirates. So not entirely sure the show's stance changed much on that front.


Depending on context and positioning of the combatants however I'm sure those 50 pirates could be toast under different circumstances.

Not to mention blaster bolts moving faster than the eye can track.

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I think it depends upon the environment, if he can bottleneck them through hallways or sone kind of cave system, he just slowly but surely kills them. If it's wide open then yeah it'd be reaching for anyone short of Darth Sidious to pull it off.



There is a pretty huge difference between 50:1 and 1-2:1 repeatedly thanks to terrain, yea. The latter... *may* be doable, but would be totally exhausting even for Vader!


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