Going with the guy that can play telekinetic ping pong with Starkiller and his Clone, tank about 40 seconds worth of his Clone's Bloodlusted amped Lightning without fatal injury and generally dwarfs the raw power of a clown that's generously considered an ant compared to the feats he's displayed in the EU proportionately.
PIS is the sole reason you don't see a character of Vader's caliber wrecking hordes of characters as weak as Kanan at a time.
Compare their feats, the contest becomes a ****ing joke
So much as a casual force wave ends it with a cloud of red mist resulting when you take away the PIS
His best feat is lifting a rock formation 30-40 meters or so tall at about 3-5 m/s with Ezra's help compared to playing ping pong with the guy that altered the trajectory of a Star Destroyer moving at hypersonic speeds
I'm talking pretending a guy that struggles to lift a rock formation with help has the force defensive energy to tank any of Vader's shit is a laughably sad delusion on the level of saying Spider-Man has the feats to legitimately can Firelord :maybe
He has 2 feats worth noting, opening that Blast Door (though possibly electronic manipulation) and levitating that Rock Formation in episode 8/9 (whenever the **** Yoda made his voice cameo)
Both required Ezra (though its easy enough to say he contributed more than half the power given he's currently stronger)
Outside that? Just a bunch of low end kilojoule feats for tossing ****ers around
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Star Wars, much like Marvel (funny given they're both owned by Disney now), suffers from shitty writing and can't deal with it when characters that have disparate showings and portrayal face off
Do I expect Kanan, upon Vader hitting him with TK in story to explode?
Nah, but I don't exactly take it as a legitimate feat barring the assumption the difference in power between relatively generic/average and amazingly strong is super low and we're splitting hairs discussing who can kick such and such's ass here :maybe
You're better off appealing to feats as power levels taken in a linear sense are kind of bullshit (hello continental farmer with shotgun in dragon ball for example)
And by feats (damaging that AT-AT) he would turn Kanan by his current showings and powerscaling into red mist
The magnitude of energy difference between them is hilarious to consider, and Kanan has shit feats as it stands right now
If I considered that, this hobby becomes moot and there's no actual point trying to discuss it nor any common grounds for comparing who's feats are more impressive
It becomes a flat out subjective mess as opposed to being pseudo objective :maybe
No, you're free to take Stan Lee's approach to the question "who wins this fight" in fiction
You're just going to have to get over the fact the writer doesn't give a shit about good writing (namely being able to keep track of power sets and write a decent plot without ignoring disparity in powers shown) and the ****er that wins is whoever the hell the writer wants it to be :maybe
The thing is, a lot of times you're applying hard, real-world logic, to fiction. I've found that across fictional universes, they generally have their own system of logic that transcends what is possible, or what we're limited by, in the real world. Once you get used to that form of logic, you can start applying it effectively in situations like this - a versus format.
I understand what you mean when you talk about telekinesis being far more powerful than lightning, making the epic lightning-tutaminis/lightsaber duels look pretty paltry in comparison, or how Vader should by all rights be able to vaporize Kanan. Star Wars logic has never worked that way, however. Telekinesis has always been a brute force weapon incapable of vaporizing anything Force sensitive, and lightning has always been treated as a killing tool.
Another example is Satele absorbing the lightsaber energy - by all means, in the real world that might not have been enough energy to knock down the cliff face. But, Star Wars logic dictates that it was. For someone who doesn't care about the physics involved (the average SWTOR player watching the trailer), they grasp the authorial intent - Satele absorbs powerful energy sword, then projects powerful wave.
tl;dr, become accustomed to the universe's logic, don't bring your own logic to the universe.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
Gotta preface this with the fact this is more fun I've had debating shit than I have had in a while :maybe
Kind of a given when my board is dead and full of lazy ****s or lemmings, but take what you're given
You're acknowledging the problem, yet failing to address it at the same time
Cross universe fight, naturally, some universes are going to behave differently than others
How do you compare them?
You need a common foundation to draw upon to even bother trying. Without doing so, I can claim destroying the universe takes less energy than flicking a light switch on and off for a 60 watt bulb and you'd have no way to challenge my assessment on the premise the universe given works on "magic".
Not really my problem if that's never been shown
One character can play ping pong with a guy that moves Star Destroyers
The other can levitate a decent sized rock
Comparing the feats, you'll find the latter is magnitudes weaker than the former
The conclusion you reach is Kanan is fleshy meat chunks on account of lacking feats to back up suggesting otherwise
Or, like I brought up above? Just say **** it to the hobby, you're not bothering using any actual form of objective comparison anyway
First?
Establish authorial intent for me, because I've never seen anything stating Satele needed to absorb power from something as pithy as a lightsaber to level that large cliff.
Another thing? Hiding behind "authorial intent" when the author is mum about an issue? Guess what, you're making an assumption without basis and dots to conenct based on what you personally think is going on
A logical mess, given people vary in how they think from person to person. Your experiences and theirs are unique
Without an established authorial intent? You're left with feats to draw upon, and you're lacking in support there to support either premise or conclusion.
TL;DR?
You're free to be like Stan Lee, just don't expect this hobby to actually have objective conclusions without an actual foundation to make comparisons between feats from
I've said it many times, this hobby is a joke, inexact, and subjective. How you approach depends on preference.
If you want to try being objective? Better figure out a way to compare fictions across the board in a reliable fashion.
Anyway, sleep now. Had some fun. Not exactly expecting to change any minds, just trying to get some thinking going :maybe
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Yes but Filoni's also outright stated that "Numbers" defeat the Jedi. And he was talking about being vastly outnumbered by droids or pirates. So it's only logical that being vastly outnumbered by Jedi makes it a guarantee loss for ANY Single Jedi or Sith.
And btw Kanan carries a blaster at all times as well. So imagine those 50 pirates that captured Dooku all with Jedi speed/reflexes/coordination. Then imagine them all also having lightsabers which they've been trained well with.
I'm sorry but Vader has no chance at all here.
Make it like 10 Kanan's and this might be a fair fight.
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