Don't know about head debater, but SKILLS is without a doubt the most skilled TOR debater so far. I don't even know who Aurbere is lmao. His opinion is irrelevant.
Anywho, your obsession with my credibility aside, yes I'd like to see you make an analysis on the topic. Other than being a pool of knowledge for Revan (BTW, did you finish your advertisement video for your biggest Revan respect thread ever!!![I've never seen one try so hard to be internet famous]), prove your good at other things, well, besides also being a "forced servant."
Go, I'm rooting for you.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
You may be right. For now I'm only going off of memory, but I recall him easily removing Talon rather casually a couple of times early on, then suddenly having the fight of his life.
Other than perhaps the tree feat, I don't see how any of the feats you listed are quite as good as Plo easily manipulating space vehicles, and tearing off and pushing a ship attachment. The feat with Durge's ship is quite good but his moving it wasn't as profound as Plo's manipulation of the space transports.
Not as impressive as I remembered, TBH, but good, considering it was about to fall apart.
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I didn't mean to suggest it was similar to mount Everest in size, but caves are usually small mountains with openings. Even in the scan, it's referred to as a mountain. It also seemed to be the entire cave. Regardless, the entrance alone is big enough to hold several men. Plo collapsing the entire area just by clinching his fist is quite impressive and isn't different than demolishing a small building. He's not even fully unleashing himself. I'd need to see Kenobi's tree feat in full context to assume he is capable of doing the same with the same casualness as Plo.
No, they stalemated in a direct force shove match, which is quite inconsistent, considering the power gap, unless Anakin's mindset hindered his force power too.
Any powerful jedi should be capable of this provided they have opening and Grievous isn't all over them.
Direct application of TK requires more power and concentration than pushes/waves. Plo was able to directly apply TK with enough force to crumble a large entrance, so unleashing massive waves should be for him.
In season 6 he did. Not to mention Ventress, who is around Kenobi's equal, couldn't even gain the upper hand against a drugged and blind Dooku despite the help of two other nightsisters.
What feats? His last fight against Ventress was pretty late in the war, and she could actually have killed him had Anakin not been there. He's only shown to do better than her against Savage because Savage's strength advantage over her is greater than it is over Kenobi.
In sith hunters, Maul could have killed Kenobi with the force alone while fighting off another jedi. True, the area was stated to be strong with the dark side, but I think that was due to the bros presence. Regardless, Maul easily gripped Kenobi in the cave fight but just tossed him aside. Then when he decided to end the fight he through Kenobi with enough force that part of the cave collapsed, disarming and trapping Kenobi. Then, In The Lawless, he disarmed and choked Kenobi with the force, again. Maul has a noticeable force advantage.
All that considered, Intrepid's source was pretty accurate. And if Maul's going to hold back his greatest advantage and turn down opportunities to kill Obi Wan then that's pretty solid evidence that he's not going to try his absolute hardest in a saber fight. That wouldn't even make sense unless he's testing his own skills as a saber duelist. Not to mention, his saber victory over Kenobi was pretty convincing, considering he hadn't picked up a saber in over a decade, and wasn't yet accustomed to huge awkward legs.
Except for easily tossing them around even when attacked from behind. It showed a large gap in strength, which is what Kenobi was having a hard time adapting to, as shown in their one on one, when Savage disarmed him.
Adapting is indicative of saber skill, and Plo adapted to all of Savage's advantages in a single round.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Plo Koon got kicked to the floor and had his mask ripped off in that fight. Savage's strength got the better of him so Koon didn't adapt to anything. He simply lost.
Kenobi has never definitively lost to Opress. Savage has tossed Kenobi around a few times, but he's never definitively beaten Kenobi without help.
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He was soundly defeating Kenobi in a Saber match up in S6. Kenobi clearly required Anakin's help to survive that fight. Whilst Dooku also of course trashed Kenobi with TK in ROTS.
So I'm not sure why people keep comparing Kenobi to Dooku or giving Obi-Wan any credit based on his fights against the Count, unless you count that probably non-canon game cut scene where early TCW Obi-Wan apparently defeats Dooku by himself (that game's always a good way to start a riot ).
Give Kenobi credit for his fights against Maul, Opress, Skywalker or even OT Vader. But there's honestly no credit to give him for his fights against Dooku.
I wouldn't consider it soundly defeating. Dooku was only gained distance with kick and hip throw and he was able to do it because Kenobi was on the offensive, which is not really his thing.
Anyway, what game was that? Imho it should be possible with favourable circumstances, where Kenobi would be able to capitalize on his strengths.
Kenobi and Skywalker did so bad in their fight with Dooku on Oba Diah. They were virtually tripping over each other; their synergy was atrocious which Dooku capitalized on.
If he's moving it fast enough to crush Super Battle Droids, I'd say that's pretty profound.
Also, what's profound about manipulating a pod when there is no gravity to work against?
I'm not talking about that instance specifically; the novel details that Kenobi deflected telekinetic blasts from Anakin during the off-screen portion of the battle as well.
By wave I mean like, a wave. With water.
Well, Season 6 isn't RotS--where we see Kenobi performing better than the Count, if anything.
Irrelevant, I was referencing dueling prowess. And claiming that Maul is significantly more hesitant to kill Kenobi than vice versa, or pulling his punches, is a little odd. Especially because the quote in question only really said that Maul wanted to make Kenobi suffer. I even recall it was in reference to the events on Mandalore specifically, which were very different circumstances than previous encounters, though I could be wrong.
Hardly, he lost solidly.
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Yup directly contradicts the episode. Kenobi is seen on the bridge of his cruiser with no evidence of a fight during the Malevolence. +His cruiser couldn't be attacked because it was in Hyperspace.
Because the mass of the object is still the same. Gravity only plays a major roll when lifting an object against the force of gravity First. For instance, bench pressing 250 is a lot harder than pushing it. Now lifting those objects on a planet with gravity similar to earth's would be a better feat no doubt, but that doesn't take away from Plo easily manipulating such objects with incredible ease.
Oh, ok. Yeah, that's probably one of the most refined uses of TK in the mythos.
There isn't much of a time gap between the two confrontations. In the movie, Kenobi was in the fight for only some seconds, and while Dooku was on the fleeting end early on in the duel, I'd say that was more of Anakin's physical strength taxing him, with Dooku having a hard time simply cutting Obi Wan to pieces because of the performance Anakin alone was putting up, making Obi Wan's presence serving as nothing more than a mere distraction for Dooku to get rid of.
In every single encounter, Maul wanted Obi Wan to suffer rather than simply kill him. You can choose to ignore all the instances I provided, but they're there regardless. Maul's intent was for Obi Wan to suffer as he did regardless of the way it was done. And if I remember correctly, the source stated Maul turned down 'numerous' opportunities, which would imply more than his one time capture of Kenobi on Mandalore. Even in their first encounter, Maul waited for an unconscious Obi Wan to wake before he decided to torture him. Maul's actions and his own word in sith hunters also indicate as much: he never wanted to kill Kenobi outright.
My point is, Maul never fully unleashed himself on Kenobi as to preserve his life in order to cause him to suffer before killing him. And If Maul is going to hold back a quick killing blow and his major advantage over Obi Wan (the force), why should I assume he would go all out in a strict saber duel? What would be the purpose?
There's nothing odd about my claim when Maul himself made it very clear on numerous of occasions. That was Maul's obsessive intent.
Also, there is nothing to indicate Kenobi would go to such extremes to keep Maul alive as Maul did, let alone hesitate on killing him.
At most, he lost fair and square, but he certainly did much better against him in one shot than Kenobi did in about three. The fight was quite even until Plo lost.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
Plo Koon was able to force push some boarding ship pretty easily. If you calculate it then his force push would be equal to a 3 Kiloton explosion.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Aside from feats, Plo just seems to be depicted as one of the wisest and most powerful of the council. Or, well, that's the vibe I get from his portrayal.
__________________ "The power of the dark side is an illness no true Sith would wish to be cured of" -Darth Plagueis
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
If you had education on his character you would know your speculation is actually supported.
"Level-headed and unflappably calm, Jedi Master Plo Koon is among the wisest in the Jedi Order."
―Star Wars Databank: Plo Koon
"Plo Koon is a member of the Jedi High Council and a Jedi General in the Clone Wars. Koon is one of the most powerful Jedi ever, with awesome fighting ability, strong telekinetic powers and superb piloting skills.
―Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia
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Of course, I don't expect you to know of this stuff. Hasn't been the first time you debated material you knew little about.
__________________ "There is only Revan. Only he can shape this galaxy as it is meant to be shaped."
That's always the impression I got as well. And was hoping TCW would have given him some nice feats considering he was a recurring character on the show but no such luck.
Another piece of EU evidence of Plo's prowess compared to other Jedi is Shadow Hunter where Maul says he wants to face/ defeat one of the great Jedi warriors mentioning Plo and Mace.
But the main piece of evidence is that he just looks so damn cool Lol.
TCW did give Plo a good feat, although I don't know if calculations are accepted on these boards or not.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
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