Yoda's supremacy is holistic, not necessarily in the domain of Telekinesis. Yoda is relatively much more learned in the ways of the Force.
Yoda was able to lift 5 Muntuur stones (after he crossed 700 years in age). Jedi Master Fae Coven managed to lift 6 but in meditative state. Jedi Master Ferleen Snee is rumored to have lifted all of them. Therefore, it is not necessary for Yoda to be unparalleled in the domain of Telekinesis to be more powerful then them.
The term 'more powerful' doesn't just implies that you can lift more. It has a much deeper meaning.
Vitiate's inferior (i.e. Darth Jadus) was also able to affect a Harrower-class starship. I believe that Vitiate could replicate it.
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on May 5th, 2016 at 12:39 PM
Still a double standard. You're willing to accept that Vitiate > Jadus and Nihilus in TK because he's canonically more powerful than them, yet you're not willing to accept Yoda > Rivi-Anu and others in TK despite him also being canonically more powerful than them.
By the way, Jadus' feat pales in comparison to Nihilus' (which was highly circumstantial). Your examples aren't valid.
Do you understand how this could create an issue with your argument?
Yoda isn't necessarily better than random CW padawan with TK, via feats.
Vitiate is necessarily better than Jadus in all areas, via accolades, despite inferior TK showings.
Surely you apply the same standard to both? Either Jadus > Vitiate in TK, via feats (and the same with Yoda and Rivi), or Jadus/Rivi are inferior to Vitiate/Yoda because of accolades.
You're tripping yourself up all over the place just to avoid the simple fact that Sidious > Valkoriate via accolades.
I'm thinking Occam's Razor is more viable than random CW padawan being better than Yoda in one area (and it's a very basic area) of the Force, cus feats.
__________________ “The galaxy must experience the pain of death and the rapture of rebirth as I have. I will bring chaos. It is time for war.”
I was only pointing out your double standard. And Ferleen Snee's seven-stone lifting feat is an unverified legend. Yoda's pretty much stated to have been able to lift more than five before 700, which means he at least matched Fae Coven's six at some point.
Yoda said that he could lift 5 (after) crossing 700 years of age. Whether he could lift more at some point is left to our imagination. But assuming that Yoda surpassed all Jedi in strength at 900 years mark, this could be considered.
Based on?
Last edited by S_W_LeGenD on May 5th, 2016 at 01:04 PM
No it really isn't. Changing your name isn't comparable to being cut into four pieces, lit on fire, and turned into a cyborg. Either way, he became Valkorion centuries ago, and the only people that call him Vitiate are the Republic and the Empire. He never once calls himself that.
Also wrong. He was weakened and needed to consume Ziost to "revitalize" himself. Nothing suggests he became more powerful.
Except RotS Sidious doesn't exactly "definitely beat" Vitiate himself, so that logic kind of falls through.
Well the Emperor is more powerful than Vitiate ca. ROTS. I guess if one could make the argument that Vitiate is the more skilled or competent combatant...?
May 5th, 2016 12:21 PM
