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Is Darth Krayt faster than ROTS Sidious?
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Is Darth Krayt faster than ROTS Sidious?

The answer, for me at least, is yes. Krayt is almost certainly faster than Sidious. This is based on a comparison of their most prominent feats, and what stipulations come attached with them. Pictured below, Sidious' blitzing of the B-team is outdone due to several important premises, all which come together in a fashion that paints clear picture, to just how much quicker Krayt really is.

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Premise 1) Krayt blitzes around four Imperial knights. I missed the previous page that can be found here - credit to SasukeDC. He does so without much resistance, unlike Palaptine with Fisto. The latter of whom can block at least three oncoming strikes from the Sith Lord. None of Krayt's enemies put up such a fight.

Premise 2) Appeals to the absence of feats for the imperial knights in question, is an illogical way to conclude wether they're as competent - or less competent - than Fisto, Tinn and Kolar. The B-team were essentially a group of people from a shortened list of Jedi. This does preclude the Masters already on other missions, who would have certainly made better replacements, such as Plo Koon and Kenobi. On the other hand, the warriors above were the close and personal guards of the Emperor, and were considered 'elite' amongst their special faction of Force sensitives. They are their Era's B-team.

Premise 3) Imperial gaurdsmen have been likened to Jedi in a favourable way that relates to combat by the Legacy Campaign Guide. Which states that the they were warriors rather than negotiators, and how their training saw them learn how to use the Force to transform themselves into "living weapons". They did expect saber-to-saber combat with the Sith, because such confrontations were common. Unlike Kit Fisto, the most competent B-teamer, who looses handily to a mere Dark Jedi.

Premise 4) The Vong implants - do in fact - dull Krayt's Force connection severely. This I think, is the crucial point. Vong implants are not some sort of arbitrary hindrance, when it comes to one's ability to wield the Force. They are quantifiable. Jacen Solo was cut off completely from the result of his seed implants in Traitor. So for Krayt to use any measure of augmented speed under their influence, is extremely impressive. He's also suffering from a terminal illness, which would widen the gap from Krayt in this state, to his Reborn self later in the comic.

Premise 5) The B-team are disadvantaged from a Galactic unbalancing of the Force towards the darkside. Naysayers haven't ceded to the fact it affected their ability as a whole - as per Mace Windu in Attack of the Clones. But they do admit that it diminished their ability to use Force sense. Seen as precognition comes under the same family as 'sense' it's stands to reason that their reactions were lessened too.


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Just out of curiosity, where do you see 8 Imperial Knights?


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Just out of curiosity, where do you see 8 Imperial Knights?


My apologies. There is four.


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No worries, more Krayt wank is always welcome. smile

I think the one panel blitzing of the Emperor's guards is an underrated feat as well, especially considering his connection to the Force was dampened at the time.

I think the image you posted in the thread is a revised version of the fight, because the original has Krayt blitz the three Knights but we don't actually ever see Roan's cousin die. That one has the three Knights all dying the exact same way, then Krayt proceeds to kill Roan's cousin. The art style looks different, too.


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I do think that Krayt's feat is comparable to Sidious' when you factor in that Krayt improved dramatically after this point. They about on the same tier of speed for me.

Honestly Krayt in probably in the top 5 greatest duelists in the mythos with his speed, power and skill.


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I don't know if he's faster or not but I've always maintained that he's overall stronger.

Based strictly on the main Legacy series I'd say he's already equal to Vader(and I was not even aware the Vong implants diminished one's connection to the Force). He was able to contend with someone as powerful as Karness Muur while basically on his death bed. He was also stronger than Cade, who is perhaps even more prodigious than Luke.

But it's his appearance and portrayal in FOTJ: Apocalypse that places him above Sidious.

Then there's his Dark Transfer. Something Plagueis and Sidious(and probably every other Sith) salivated after for decades and never achieved. But it's not just that he has it. It's the fact that he's back from the dead for 10 minutes and he's already better at it than Cade. The same Cade that
a)has an innate ability for the Dark Transfer
b)has the Skywalker bloodline

That's what's most impressive.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Honestly Krayt in probably in the top 5 greatest duelists in the mythos with his speed, power and skill.


Hmm... yeah, definitely. He might even make top 3 with everything factored in.

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Hmm... yeah, definitely. He might even make top 3 with everything factored in.
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I'm probably forgetting one or two, but name the peeps above him?

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Yoda, Luke, Anakin, Sidious.


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I'm referring to Sith only, my bad.

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I just re-read Traitor the other day, and I'd like to point out that Jacen was stripped of the Force prior to receiving the implants mentioned here.

That said, there's also a number of sources that allude to the fact that Krayt was weakened severely by his worsening condition by the time of Legacy.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yoda, Luke, Anakin (zone mode only), Sidious.


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Originally posted by AncientPower
Yoda, Luke, Anakin, Sidious.


Jesus, Anakin is nowhere near the top 5. erm


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He slaughtered Dooku, of course he is.


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He slaughtered Dooku, of course he is.

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If nobody will point out some of the discrepancies here i will...

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If nobody will point out some of the discrepancies here i will...
dew'it


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Alrightie then. After my morning Cheerios.

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Admittedly that did make me blink skeptically when I read it.

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