Not sure where he's getting those numbers, but we saw an army of them in Legacy 2. Whether or not that army encompassed all Imperial Knights, or whether they seemed to number in the dozens or hundreds, I don't remember. I'd be inclined to say I suspect that there's at least 100 IK's out there either way, though.
That's true, Neph. AP is right, though; although we can speculate about how capable they were based on the circumstances, there's no decent evidence that condones putting nameless randoms above three of the most accomplished duelists ever produced by the Jedi Order. It's not like Krayt blitzed Antares Draco or Tries Sinde or Ganner Kreig, and I see no reason to assume he could either--of course, I also consider the B-Team going down like they did to be somewhat nonsensical, but that's another matter entirely. Krayt's fast, but by way of feats Palpatine's faster--how much faster, and how much it matters, is up for debate.
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Ziggy never argues to support a character, rather Ziggy argues in spite of that character's respect so as to assail the Palpatine status quo. Still, his argument isn't nearly as solid as he could've made it. I can only assume his ignorance on the matter.
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I don't see why the couldn't at least compare. I think you're overrating how good the likes of Agen Kolar and Sasee Tiin are. If every Imperial Knight is equivalent to a Jedi Master and these guys are apparently the elite given that they're performing the highest calling of their Order in personally defending the Emperor I'd reckon they'd be pretty ****ing legit and at least able to give the likes of the B team a decent duel.
I never put them above the B-team, lol. I've explicitly said they're probably well below them. But I don't think the gap is larger than the amount that Krayt improved from the time of that feat to his prime.
"Could" is "could". I don't see any logical reason to assume they would even come close.
They're hardly much worse than Antares Draco or Ganner Krieg, who are far and away the best Imperial Knights.
Again, source?
Uh, no, not necessarily.
Coincidentally, in LoE, there were also four Jedi that were charged with Palpatine's defense. They were all slaughtered by Grievous in the space of a page; the fact that these four were guarding Roan Fel's body double doesn't prove they were exceptional (by our standards). Of the group, only one was particularly notable. None of the Imperial Knights we know to be the best were present, at any rate.
Here is a Jedi turn Sith that I also admire.
Darth Krayt imo is more powerful than Sidious.
This Dark Lord came back to life in his own body no clones no out of body experience!!!
He took Niman to another level.
Only two Sith dominated Jedi with Niman.
1.Exar Kun
2. Darth Krayt
Darth Krayt might be faster than Sidious,if he's not then Krayt is seriously more powerful.
imo,of course.
Well I am truly sorry you think that AP, and I realise this particular point hasn’t been explored in depth. I have however, discussed several broad points regarding Krayt’s feat. The way it was presented - as at least intended - was not that you could simply take out one piece and the rest would tumble down like jenga bricks, rather that the premises are batteries in a circuit, each providing sufficient voltage to brighten an idea. It also is true that I don’t like to reveal all my cards at once. This is because short and general points leave subjects more open to discussion, in theory, the more general a statement is, the more numerous are the objections to which it is open - and open discussion is always a good thing… but don’t assume that means I’ve come unarmed.
I also have faith that readers can understand a rather simple comparison, with a limited amount of hand-holding. I did have faith, but perhaps not so much now, that intelligent readers might know the difference between speed-blitzing and getting disarmed by Mace Windu after a fair match. For this reason “four of the most masterful duelists” just becomes three... but even then, upon more scrutiny and a stricter definition of the term ‘speed-blitzing’ Fisto does not truly have to be counted either. Bringing up the Revenge of the Sith novel only makes this position worse. So where does the idea come from that the trio accompanying Mace belonged to the "best swordsman" in the order?
Now Obi-Wan did face him. "Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee-four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced. By himself. Even both of us together wouldn't have a chance."
Look again, this is merely a thought spawned from Obi Wan Kenobi. It is not an absolute binding fact and it is subject to falsification, otherwise Obi Wan in Attack of the Clones could just be “as powerful as Mace and as wise as Yoda” - because watery eyed Anakin Skywalker said so. Secondly, an excerpt on it’s own ignores context. Here Obi wan is trying to convince Yoda not to confront the newly minted Emperor. Because of that, It is entirely possible that Kenobi exaggerated the combat skills of the three in question, because he hoped he could convince Yoda not to face Sidious. This is reinforced by Obi Wan’s own motive, someone who’s willing to sacrifice his own life to face Palpatine, just to avoid killing Anakin. So… aside from some fairly ridiculous false hype, what have the B-team done to be regarded as ‘some of the most accomplished duelists evar’...?
Kit Fisto
Defeating Grievous. Kind of a feat here, but this is strictly within the context of ‘disney canon’ and is explicitly disregarding Legends. Now, the General certainly isn’t stomping several council members at once in this continuity, and often find himself on the receiving end with Jar Jar Binks and friends. Not that Kit vs GG is without circumstances either. The general is noted to have depowered cybernetics that weren’t fully charged. Allready the crux of his combative prowess suffers a large monkey wrench.
Loosing to Assaj Ventress. Given that Ventess already has visible superiors in her time, I wonder how Fisto can be considered one of the best in his Era… let alone one of the greatest-of-all-time.
Specialising in a form ill-suited to lightsaber dueling. Which goes hand in hand with losing against Ventress
Agen Kolar
Defeating a head-strong and unpolished Quinlan Vos. Hardly making him one of the most accomplished swordsman ever. You can argue that Vos grew to the point where he fights - and wins - against Sora Bulq, but that’s representative of Vos’ growth. Something similar happens in Canon, where Vos goes from loosing handily to Cad Bane to defeating Dooku.
Kolar has nothing bar some good accolades. Vos wasn't going all out at Kolar trying to kill him nor was he ready tbh? Fisto lost to Ventress only due to her having prior knowledge of his style and his form's weakness to Makashi and I think Fisto defeating Grievous is actually impressive because of how he did it, regardless of how useless The General is in TCW. He pushed Grievous back through pure offensive might which is a very impressive feat IMO. Tiin is largely an unknown
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That argument is valid but Fisto kinda dominated him. After Grievous gets force pushed into the ground, Kit could have very well ended him (debatable) but instead just pulled an arrogant smile lmao. It shows him being in complete control and on top but is perhaps more focused on escaping rather than killing.
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