I've ranked Malak quite a bit higher recently, so I'm thinking this should be a good match, and one that he can win. Just curious to see what you guys think, and if your opinions have changed at all.
Malgus impressed me morte with Sabers, beating Ven-Zallow is imo a bit better than Malaks feats. Malgus 5-7/10.
With SF Amp though, I am willing to give Malak 10/10, If I remember his fight with Revan correctly.
Not sure about Force. I was leaning towards Malgus, but Malaks feats are pretty impressive. Still Malgus 5-6/10. SF Malak 10/10, again.
Malgus maybe for an small majority. SF Malak wins 10/10, imo.
I'm predicting that Malgus will get the majority vote here, so I'll defend Malak.
@Ursumeles - Really not convinced that Malgus' Force feats are better. As for sabers, Malak's superiority to the likes of Traya might put him above Malgus, too.
Can't remember. The discussion's happened in a lot of different threads, too, between various other users. But other than potentially being worth putting in a respect thread, that sort of stuff clearly isn't useful.
Inconsistent game mechanics. If you have four people, he can Choke three and chases the last guy, but if you bring in three, he can suddenly only Choke two. If you come as a pair, he only Chokes one at once.
It's also pretty ridiculous to assume that he can hold their bodies up in the air helplessly like that, but doesn't have the brain to plunge his saber into their helpless bodies.
Well, she's herself, so if she's not within range of herself, that's something special.
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Malak will obvs get lowballed the **** out of here... Malgus takes sabers, Malak takes force and leaning toward big Gus for a majority
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I think Traya's better than Zallow as a duelist. She's bested Atton Rand in a "short, quick, brutal duel", whilst Zallow has blitzed several of the strongest Warriors in the Empire.
Yes, Zallow's feat was accomplished with greater ease, but despite their accolades, the warriors are still, in a sense, fodder. Atton, on the other hand, defeated Sion under very negative circumstances, and decades prior to this, Sion was cutting down "experts in lightsaber and Force combat" left-and-right on the battlefields of the Exar Kun War.
Given how close Malgus and Zallow are, I'd wager that Malak's superiority to Traya as a warrior likely put him above Malgus as well.
Malgus would rather handily butcher Atton and Sion, and Zallow still scales above Satele, Kao, Vindican, and others and pre-prime Satele was capable of fighting Dark Council tier Sith and Kao fighting renowned Sith Inquisitors. Traya has done nothing with a blade even putting her on par with someone Palpatine considered one of his most powerful predecessors. The reaching is beyond retarded
Aryn is better than Zallow anyway
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I was comparing Zallow to Traya. Not sure why you're dragging Malgus into a confrontation with Atton or Sion. And if Traya could handily defeat Atton or Sion, then of course Malgus could do the same. And so could Malak. Your point?
Zallow being vaguely better than them doesn't equate to being above Traya.
Also, since when did Satele fight DC'ers before her duels with Malgus? Mekhis was after Hope. Baras was during Deceived, and he had over a decade to go before he became a DC member.
Since when does being one of the most powerful equate to being one of the most skilled in of itself?
I also compared Traya to Zallow, not Malgus. Didn't want to trigger a backlash reaction like this, but I guess it's happened anyway. Malak's also one of Sidious' most powerful predecessors. You're really not presenting anything substantial here.
Aryn was virtually even with Malgus in the dueling segments of their fight. Malak's clear superiority to Traya would be a much more distinguishable difference.
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Based on Malgus being considered among the best of the Sith Empire well before even Hope, based on Malgus having beaten Kao, similarly killing scores of Jedi prior to Deceived, and beating Satele multiple times (Satele having fought even with the Galaxies most powerful future Dark Council tier Sith), and being considered Palpatine's most powerful Predecessor and having his feats being never replicated on the Battlefield. Sion killing Fodder Jedi doesn't even place him above Hope Malgus, let alone Malgus at his absolute best towards the End of Deceived who had faced the most skilled Jedi in the Order (Satele, Kao, and Zallow and beaten them). He would have no difficulty beating someone whose literally only famous for dying
Traya has **** all lightsaber feats to begin with. The burden is on you to show how beating someone like Rand, who has no accolades or skill feats comparable to Malgus places her within his tier of skill.
What does that change exactly? Either of them have greater potential than Sion anyway, and would later become greater than Sion or Rand in accomplishments. Satele called Malgus the most powerful Sith she had ever faced in latter recollections, he's greater than them to begin with anyway
I've already listed accolades that place Malgus far above Sion in terms of lightsaber skil[. Not sure what Rand has done that makes beating Sion outside of Malgus's abilities when he was already close to him even as of Hope. Again unless you have something better for Traya than beating someone Malgus would slaughter try again.
Aryn landing multiple blows on Malgus and even piercing his armor places her above Zallow, given she was actually able to land piercing blows with a saber throw and even a kick. Zallow could hardly break Malgus's guard and only landed a strike to his face. She gave a much better fight to Malgus in comparison with Satele (2X), Zallow, Kao Cen Darach, in comparison with Traya whose only claim to fame is beating Sion who doesn't even register to Malgus at his peak. So I'd say her scaling off of scores of Malgus's opponents is more reliable than claiming Malak is better than Traya in saber skill, when she's done hardly anything with a blade to begin with
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Nah, what you said just hit me. Malgus would indeed handily beat either Atton or Sion. Not Traya, though, since, well, she's done the same.
Rand has no feats? He's beaten Sion whilst drowned in the dark side, and 40 years prior to KotOR II, Sion's butchered "experts in lightsaber and Force combat" left-and-right. He goes on to study at the Academies on Korriban and Malachor V.
Traya beating him with ease is beyond anything Zallow has to offer, lol.
Who cares about potential? We're taking the versions that they actually appeared as.
Mekhis isn't above Sion, and if we're running on feats and accolades, Baras has nothing around Deceived that's beyond Sion in terms of skill, either. Certainly not beyond Atton.
Given that Traya also slaughtered Atton, I'm not seeing what this huge disparity between Malgus and Traya is based on.
Based on your generalizations and misinformation, you're hardly even aware of Traya's feats, so you making these claims is pretty funny to begin with. Traya hasn't beaten Sion, she's stomped Atton, who defeated Sion under very negative circumstances.
My point is that Traya > Zallow, who Malgus struggled with. Put Traya on par with Aryn, I don't care. I'm not even saying she's better than Malgus, but she's close enough that Malak, her decisive superior as a warrior, should be above Malgus, or at least equal. That's my point. You hardly even addressed it. You're going on tangents about how Malgus can also butcher Atton and Sion (great, that makes him approximately equal to Traya, so Malak's still better).
15 years from Malgus' prime, with a huge boost in power between.
Malak has nothing to threaten Malgus with except an assumed superiority to Traya in sabers. Maybe Malak is just worse than a one-handed grandma is. Regardless, I'm pretty sure we don't know much about the Atton fight where she could have simply taken him by surprise or used the force.
Malgus beats the pants off him in feats, has far superior feats and accolades of skill, has way more combat experience and is more powerful than him. I doubt Malak's sabers skills are sufficient to allow him to have lasted long against the TOR Strike Teams and everything they can throw at him.
Malak was better than Kreia during the Mandalorian Wars, and given that he was younger and had more of a penchant for actually fighting with his blade, there's no way that Kreia would've improved more than he did in the years to come.
The rest of the stuff - you know I disagree with that, so I'm not factoring it in. I'll respond to you in the other thread later.
Sep 9th, 2016 07:24 AM
