You have established nothing concrete in this regard, my friend. You misinterpreted a statement and attempted to connect (unrelated) dots. Your failure is not even amusing.
Distance between Byss and Pinnacle Moon Base is billions of light years?
Spanning over 100,000 LIGHT YEARS across, the galaxy is massive and filled with as many marvels as perilous dangers.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
The entire galaxy is much smaller than that, my friend.
So your argument is that a vast distance would hinder Palpatine's ability to siphon energy of his subjects? You don't think that Palpatine was able to fuel his power with his energy-siphoning effort? Good.
Vitiate was able to siphon energy of his subjects from light-years away, irrespective of where he was present and what he was doing. Other beings were like a reservoir of energy to him, to fuel his power and satiate his hunger.
Your shortsightedness has touched new heights.
The revelation is that (true) immortality - everlasting existence - is impossible in Star Wars, irrespective of strength, because a being is likely to face resistance during its exploits and meet its end one way or the other.
Even The Father (supposedly the most powerful Force-user ever) could not live forever:
The Father knew his days were numbered -- facing his impending demise, he needed to find another to keep the balance. His goal was the same described in an ancient Jedi prophecy -- the rise of a Chosen One who will bring balance to the Force.
Taken from Star Wars Databank
Valkorion was not an exception to the aforementioned rule either but he was not dying or even close, his enemies were able to trap him in his own device. Equally important is the fact that he was able to cheat death several times and that in itself is an accomplishment that few could hope to match.
Darth Plagueis doesn't even registers in the topic of immortality. He was bordering corporeal immortality when his apprentice killed him. So when did he cheat death? Give me a single example.
Darth Plagueis's blurbs are utter bullshit by the way.
Palpatine's ability to cheat death on his own (the first time) is suspect in the light of involvement of following:
- Sate Pestage - an agent of Palpatine
- Palpatine's own assessment:
"Your spirits guided me back to this life when I was destroyed by Vader... and his children... My aging clone body will soon die. I need healing... Now."
For more information, kindly check Dark Empire III: Empire's End.
Funny that you accuse fellow member AncientPower of conveniently selective memory in this case when it holds true for you actually:
Vitiate, at that point, had suffered two major setbacks:-
1. His most ambitious ritual was foiled
2. His Voice was struck down
Both developments, collectively, took a massive toll on his well-being and sapped his energy to an extent that he was barely able to function as a consequence. And even at his lowest point, he managed to collapse a hall of the Dark Temple in a last-ditch effort to crush his enemies beneath tons of rock. They escaped somehow.
Even more telling is this part in the second image:
"The Imperial Guard has moved the Emperor's body."
They moved his body (i.e. corporeal vessel); not his disembodied existence. A living being cannot move something intangible from one place to another.
Vitiate, in disembodied form, could move to Yavin IV on his own or by possessing someone. More importantly, this example is not an indication of his true abilities outside a corporeal vessel. We get to see that on Ziost.
For the remainder of your point, see above.
I take that as an interpretation of the events in KoTFE story arc.
It is in direct contradiction with this revelation:
"Voices... Hands... Children... I no longer require those crude vessels. At long last I am truly free." (Valkorion)
- and Vitiate's showings on Yavin IV, Ziost and Odessen.
My take on this is that Valkorion was not able to bring his full power to bear in the body of the Outlander, an inferior corporeal vessel for him. This is also apparent from the fact that Valkorion enhanced the potential of the Outlander on Odessen in order to enable him to challenge his children (see Chapter 12 of KoTFE).
This is the point you missed:
The ability to transcend death is not exclusive to Jedi: Emperor Palpatine and the ancient Sith Lords Marka Ragnos managed to preserve their psyches after their deaths, but it seems their spiritual forms were restricted by certain boundaries and limitations. Palpatine's spirit required cloned bodies to manifest his powers; Marka Ragnos's and Exar Kun's spirits were essentially trapped within Sith-engineered temples for thousands of years.
Taken from Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force
The quotes you cited are irrelevant in the aforementioned context. Among these quotes, the third one, in particular, implies that Palpatine became more powerful during the events of Dark Empire than ever before.
By the way:
With each rebirth, he grew stronger.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Codex Entry titled "The Fall of Valkorion."
Debunked above.
Following points have been established so far:
1. Vitiate's mastery over life and death; moreso than Darth Plagueis? Check
2. Vitiate sought worlds strong in the Dark Side to establish Academies? Check
3. Vitiate demonstrated superior abilities in disembodied form than Palpatine? Check
4. Vitiate demonstrated superior Force Drain powers than Palpatine? Check
5. Palpatine cheated death first time (with) external aid? Check
6. Vitiate did not cheat death by latching himself to the Outlander? Check
Your argument is that Dromund Kaas was strong in the Dark Side before arrival of Vitiate and his followers. While your point was not wrong, you misinterpreted a revelation in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan in support of it. I posted the actual reason:
Vitiate deemed world(s) strong in the Dark Side as suitable environments for training of his Imperial Guard and to ensure his unshakable grip (i.e. influence) over them.
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