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Why Valkorion is more powerful than Palpatine.
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cs_zoltan
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Damn, he called me a troll. What am I going to do with my life now?


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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Damn, he called me a troll. What am I going to do with my life now?

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: End it.

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Damn, he called me a troll. What am I going to do with my life now?

1. You burgle in his house/apartment/carton/whatever.
2. You **** ******** him and then **** his ***** while you ***** his dog.


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cs_zoltan
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Legend's handing out some career ending burns here.


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S_W_LeGenD
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Smart move.

The Beniboybling I came across in the original SWTOR forums, is now a mere shadow of his former-self.

Shame.

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I'm suprised you be so desperate for my attention LeG, me being a homosexual and all.


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I'm suprised you be so desperate for my attention LeG, me being a homosexual and all.

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Beniboybling
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You should try the logout button, reckon it would improve things.


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You should try the logout button, reckon it would improve things.

You should follow your own advice.

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Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Legend's handing out some career ending burns here.


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What is it with some of you? I never understood the urge to troll and flame people who you disagree. Either point out why you think somebody is wrong with canon facts, or simply ignore their posts and move on. There's no reason for trolling. Please get back to the topic and stop trolling/flaming. I really don't feel like temp banning people today.


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Ursumeles
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Well, ok.


@AP and co. I just skimmed through the first post, but why do you exactly think that Palpatines supremacy quotes are wrong?
Hollistically, his concept is being the most powerful- he is stated as such since 20+ years.


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What is it with some of you? I never understood the urge to troll and flame people who you disagree. Either point out why you think somebody is wrong with canon facts, or simply ignore their posts and move on. There's no reason for trolling. Please get back to the topic and stop trolling/flaming. I really don't feel like temp banning people today.


Thank you..


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cs_zoltan
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What is it with some of you? I never understood the urge to troll and flame people who you disagree. Either point out why you think somebody is wrong with canon facts, or simply ignore their posts and move on. There's no reason for trolling. Please get back to the topic and stop trolling/flaming. I really don't feel like temp banning people today.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
The Outlander just has godly willpower. Valkorion even implies it's comparable to Revans.

Which is really stupid, because there is no one with more willpower than an entire planet. Especially not a Smuggler. Valkorion explains he takes control of others permanently by "hollowing" them out, something he apparently needs others for. He's all hype and no substance. Just like every TOR villain.

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Originally posted by Badabing
What is it with some of you? I never understood the urge to troll and flame people who you disagree. Either point out why you think somebody is wrong with canon facts, or simply ignore their posts and move on. There's no reason for trolling. Please get back to the topic and stop trolling/flaming. I really don't feel like temp banning people today.


I might be a little hypocritical by agreeing with this because I enjoy pissing off a couple members here and there, but in general: thumb up


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Size and potency are distinct. You're certainly free to present the argument that Nathema was the most potent nexus because of its effects, but you've failed spectacularly to defend the notion that the Encyclopedia really meant "most powerful dark side nexus" when all it said was "largest dark side nexus."

Which leads us back to that critical fact that... a planet is larger than a person. no expression



The Encyclopedia and codex state the ritual merely prolonged his life:

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And both Encyclopedia and codex say immortality was still the as-of-yet unattained true goal:

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So... nah.



According to... whom?



Indeed the codex is making a distinction: between whispered rumors and clear displays. Not sure what the point of bracketing the word corrosive in asterisks is supposed to do for your argument: clearly the effect on Nathema was corrosive as well lol.


They are one in the same, the nexus of Nathema was so large and powerful, that it was capable of consuming the very presence of the Force itself. Not to mention all flora and fauna on the planet's surface:

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The Emperor had consumed everything. Life, sound, color, even the Force—nothing remained. This wasn’t about conquest or domination or destroying an enemy—all concepts Scourge embraced.

Everything on Nathema had simply been snuffed out, extinguished so completely that it ceased to have any meaning or purpose. It was a vacuum of existence; a blight on the natural order.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan


Something far beyond the power of Sidious' chaotic nexus:

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The key to Luke's turning is the moment when he and Leia realize the Emperor is no longer defined by his physical form, but has become a_chaotix nexus of dark energies that swell and burst open the fabric of space, tearing apart everything in the vicinity, human and machine.
- Dark Empire Endnotes


You assume immortality and becoming an omniscient being, are one in the same. He intended to become a God with his galactic scale ritual, whereas at Ziost he achieved a measure of incorporeal immortality:

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Obsessed with achieving immortality, the Sith Emperor has targeted his own former subjects on the planet Ziost, with every death seemingly extending his dark power.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor


Something Darth Plagueis never achieved and Sidious was only capable of an archaic iteration of.

The use of a physical body is exactly why the likes of Freedon Nadd and others were incapable of bringing themselves back from death, it is well documented that spirits have limitations:

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The ability to transcend death is not exclusive to Jedi: Emperor Palpatine and the ancient Sith Lords Marka Ragnos managed to preserve their psyches after their deaths, but it seems their spiritual forms were restricted by certain boundaries and limitations. Palpatine's spirit required cloned bodies to manifest his powers.
- Jedi VS Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force


How well this applies to the Sith Emperor is debatable, but enacting a ritual requires a physical manifestation.

The distinction is between worlds rumored to have been ravaged by rituals(Nathema, Ambria) and devices such as that which Revan and Ulic used, comparatively Ziost was a clear display of extreme dark side power.

More importantly we know that it wasn't the same ritual as that which Vitiate used at Nathema, Nathema was described as being consumed by the largest dark side nexus the galaxy would ever see. Ziost was quite clearly subject to what resembled a death field.


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I'm suprised you be so desperate for my attention LeG, me being a homosexual and all.


laughing out loud

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Temp's point about size is a good one, but I think it should be obvious that the statement is excluding living beings. Otherwise we've had to assume that Nathema > Vitiate, or that Vitiate never became a nexus like being in the manner Sidious did.

Either way he's inferior.
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