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Yes because he'd just been solidly cowed by Luke and then the lightning killed him, albeit slowly. It's really nothing more than durability, in other words I'm not impressed.
Exar Kun lacked any legitimate injuries after Ood Bnar empowered by Ossus Force blasted him. Ood who has an upper power ceiling of protecting himself from ten continuous supernova waves with his Force barrier and not just surviving, but coming up four millennia later with enough strength to destroy Sedriss XL. A dark Jedi with enough power to genuinely threaten Luke Skywalker.
Meanwhile Kun > Pre-Novel Vitiate > Post-Nathema Vitiate > Nihilus is scaling Vader can't hope to contend with.
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Even if the lightning did kill him (we'll see in the debate), you're ignoring the part where he walks through the full power of the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history, someone factually above Exar. What has Kun done to match this again?
Yes, because everyone here believes that you would "not be impressed" by Exar Kun walking through any modestly powerful Sith's lightning, and that you wouldn't immediately make a thread about it and bring it up every time Kun showed up in a discussion. You can't possibly accuse others of bias but then look at someone walking through RotJ Sidious's lightning and say "I'm not impressed".
I won't get into more details before my debate with Ant but if you seriously think that a human-sized target getting hit by a supernova from several light-hours away is impressive just because of the word "supernova", you should read up on basic geometry. As it is, this is sub-child Zannah tier.
Why not?
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Vader tanks the lightning for all of five seconds and throws him down the shaft. Wow, such feat.
Nah, given Kun's already possessing powers pre-Ulic that Vader's struggling to contend with, I don't need that at all.
The entire area around him turns bright white, it devastates the landscape and reduces 12,000 cities to nothing. Zannah dealt with a firestorm that didn't even kill all the soldiers. That's the worst comparison you've made this year. A new record.
Because Nihilus' feats utterly creams anything Vader ever did.
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Yeah, walking through anyone's Force lightning, let alone Palpatine's, for ten seconds clearly isn't impressive.
What does Kun have to compare again?
What?
Way not to engage with the actual point. Anyway, it's not as if it would compare to Vader tanking Starkiller's lightning, which can power a star destroyer-oneshotting cannon.
Lol not sure how this is supposed to be an argument but OK.
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It actually wasn't the lightning that killed him but the surge of Darkside energy that was released upon Sidious's death. We don't know how badly the lightning injured him if at all.
Yeah, I'm sure a blast which didn't even level the surrounding area contained equivalent power to supernova waves... That was sarcasm in case you couldn't tell, I felt the need to clarify since I know you have trouble distinguishing between your own delusions and reality at times. Regardless, feats Starkiller accomplished casually require far more energy. Unless you've changed your stance on where Galen and Starkiller lie in relation to Vader in recent months, the power Bnar is capable of using and whether or not he used it is irrelevant.
Why not? His handling of Sidious's lightning more then suggests he can contend with such scaling given the aforementioned individuals are TPM Sidious's vast inferiors without considering where they lie in relation to RotJ Sidious.
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You realise that; given TFUII power levels don't really differentiate, we see Sheev one-shot Vader and nearly kill him almost as fast as Vader can ignite his lightsaber, right? How is Vader getting one-shotted by Sheev a feat? Am I supposed to be impressed that he doesn't die on contact?
He's confirmed to usurp Nadd's power upon destroying his spirit. A 'great power' that could be felt across the galaxy. Meaning all of those Ommin feats, such as inducing mass rage in a city of millions and one-shotting Nomi with TP, etc., are low-end Kun feats. Then Kun immediately grows more powerful, before unlocking even more power as he mastered Alchemy. All prior to facing Ulic.
These mental gymnastics are glorious.
It's called powerscaling over someone we know via feats and accolades is more powerful than Vader.
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No, I'm inferring you're a moron.
I believe what I actually claimed was that the power levels in TFUII don't change. The Vader and Sheev seen in the Endor DLC would be no different than the ones we see in ROTJ.
I'm still not seeing this majorly impressive feat of Vader not being insta-killed, as, y'know, actually all that great.
Where the fvck are you getting your sources on energy, anyway? A single supernova can caused an energy output 10 billlion, trillion times more powerful than the greatest thermonuclear explosion ever achieved. Which wouldn't just cut a Star destroyer in half, lmfao. This is mind-boggling idiocy.
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2. (Here's the kicker) That scene doesn't actually happen in the continuity.
Now, back to the scene that actually happens: stop deflecting and explain what Kun has done to compare.
And none of this scales to RotJ Sidious's lightning or Galen Marek's ISD busting, lol. Inducing mass rage in a city and one-shotting Nomi don't put Exar above Vader, later power growth or nah lmao.
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lol you tried to shift away from RotJ Sidious's lightning by invoking a non-canon cutscene, and now you're ignoring feats brought up in the sentences you're quoting with sophistic non-replies. Not sure if the irony is intentional...?
I was trying to ask you to explain your claim, not restate it, lol.
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Yes, a supernova releases lots of energy omnidirectionally. That does not mean that Odan several light-hours away has to deal with an appreciable fraction of it.
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Except that's clearly not the case since Vader is stated to have multiple confirmed powers growths between TFUII and RotJ and Sidious is constantly gathering more knowledge and power as he gathers knowledge from across the galaxy and continually drains Byss. If you're trying to say that the gap between Vader and Sidious wouldn't change, then refer back to what I said about using non canon events as evidence.
We have no idea the extent to which he was harmed by the lightning if at all tbh. And this was in his weakest state. None of the individuals you mentioned have a feat even close to that in regards to Force shielding.
AP. I'm extremely sorry you don't understand basic math. But shielding a tree sized area from the diluted energy of a wave that has crossed vast distances doesn't equate to tanking the full energy of a supernova. :/
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Hm? It is apart of the former continuity, I was agreeing with that. I was just saying instead of non-canon, it's in a separate continuity because it's still there, just in a different timeline compared to the current one.
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