Gladiator is faster than Thor, that is pretty obvious. And Thor loses his hammer all the time, it's not really bad writing. He's capable of taking Gladiator out if he really cuts loose, no question, but back when Stan Lee used to write Thor, he lost his hammer nearly every issue. That's just part of the suspense of the character.
I feel Gladiator just has "two many" advantages when it comes to this match. For one his strengh(base level) is either equal too or greater than the Hulk..I doubt Gladiator would give the Hulk a chance to get pissed off enough to where he would beat him.
Now don't get me wrong I know the hulk's "Unlimited strength" advantage but trust me you cannot use that argument because the so-called "Unlimited strength" didn't aid him against those foes who gave him a ripe ole' spankin..They either 1) Beat him before he gets that angry, 2) Outsmart him(which is easy because the hulk is pretty stupid
Now Superman and the hulk fought in two crossover comics, one being a Marvel/DC crossover in which ended in a "stalemate" after alot of back and forth bashing(and corny hero talk) it ended in a draw as Superman teams with hulk to toss him into Luthor's gamma cannon..NO, the Hulk DID NOT WIN, I REPEAT THE HULK DID NOT WIN...The fight DID NOT end with The hulk standing over Superman's limp body..IT WAS A S-T-A-L-E-M-A-T-E .The second being the fan-voted comic in which the authors wanted to get rid of favoratism of both sides by gathering the nuetral(fan) vote...Superman won..which was the only fair way to have one hero beat the other without extreme discrimination...And it is official, both Marvel and DC condoned the results...Besides Superman has a "MIND" not only does he have EXTREME intelligence, ice breathe, heat vision, x-ray vision..The thing that makes Superman #1 is even when overpowered he always resloves to using his "mind" to overcome any foe, even smart ones such as Brainiac2000..I'm sure the hulk is no smarter than your average ogre let alone brainiac, Superman would easily outsmart the hulk as would Gladiator..(Have anyone seen the JLA ep where Superman labodomizes doomsday?...he uses his heat vision to fry Doomsdays brain.....he could easily do that on hulk..whos just as dumb)
Gladiator has intelligence, The Hulk is dumb and rash when angry leaving him vulnerable, in close combat Hulk is HELL...but Gladiator is quicker with more powers at his disposal, the only true edge I'd give the hulk is the lame ole'.........he has unlimited strength..which helps him "half" the time...Using that unlimited strength agrument is "extremely shallow" because if that's the case who's not to say the hulk could beat Galactus..hell as long as you fall back on that unlimited strength factor....The point is HE STILL loses with the unlimited strength factor...
So, Superman=>Gladiator, Gladiator>The Hulk
Last edited by SarKastic_OJ on Nov 20th, 2004 at 08:46 PM
Did you seriously refer to a cartoon for evidence? first off, Supes couldnt stop Doomsday with labotamy in a real comic anyway. If he tried it on Hulk it would only stun him considering Hulk regenerates almost intantly. Hulk stupid? his present form does not exhibit stupidity, he kinda jus goes back and forth from a Grey Hulk, Banner, Professor Hulk, series of personalities. Neither Supes or Gladiator can contend with Professor Hulk in terms of intelligence, not by a long shot.
There is no point in bringing up Superman, classic Gladiator proved to be vastly tougher than Supes, I honestly think he would have a huge edge over the Hulk, for a while at least.
NO any way u look at it superman man will always have a much greater edge aganst hulk. because hulk main factor is strength and a really fast healing factor. that it because no matter wat you say or think hulk wont be able to touch superman if superman wanted. hulk is fast but not that fast. Shite but it will never go that way because writters never use a comic book true power in any battel whats so ever its always who they like more. If i was a comic writer i would do a batman vs Silver surfer,ION,parallax,spectre,superma,and goku. the real twist is batman will win because nothing is ever far in comics.
That's all I hear when comparing Superman to The Hulk, Doomsday this Doomsday that!! You guys use that so friggin much it hurts...What about the hulk and Abomination? Why didn't he "get angrier" and whoop him? or onslaught? I've seen the hulk get his ass handed to him plenty of times so don't give me that "He just wasn't pissed enough" excuse..
Well how about those times when the hulk was beaten badly by Abomination or those alien invader guys...You "hulk fanboys" act like the hulk is a green god...he isn't..
That regeneration factor didn't help him much in those battles he "lost", so what's to say it would help him here against Gladiator...
And for your information if you say the comics are so "reliable" then as far as I can tell the Superman vs Hulk amalgamation comic resulting in Superman kicking the hulk's ass, healing factor and unlimited strength included...Yeah, it was fan-voted but that was the only way that the writers would get a seemingly "fair" decision..But even "some" fans find fault in that(hulk fanboys), using the good old it wasn't official...IT WAS OFFICIAL?! Marvel and DC came up with the ultimatum of letting the fans decide who was stronger instead of putting their own biased opinions into play...If it was Marvel's decision, then of course the hulk would have won, if DC's then they would have gave it to Superman, but noooo they let the fans decide because it was the only way for a straight down the line decision...Case in point...I don't care what any hulk fan or someone who's anti-superman says....Superman "BEAT" hulk into a friggin pulp...Hulk didn't beat Superman, the other fight was a stalemate, so don't let hulk fanboys(Alpha Centauri) tell you otherwise...
Gladiator may or may not be stronger than Superman...we don't know...they never fought...but we DO know that Superman beat the hulk into a pulp in the amalgam comics..So if Superman did that then Gladiator stands a chance of doing the same...
And as far as intelligence goes, the last time I checked Brainiac 2000 was one of the most intelligent beings in the universe, 10x's stronger than this Prof. Hulk you speak of, and Superman beat him...it's Superman's deciphering of a plan and using his "mindset" that gives....no "gave" him the edge in the hulk/superman battles...Face it Superman -can-beat-the-hulk....
One(I'm out)...........
Last edited by SarKastic_OJ on Nov 21st, 2004 at 12:28 AM
and here we go again with the Marvel vs DC crossover...yea his healing ability wasnt a factor because if it were, he would have had to win...since the fight was based on a fan vote the writers had no choice but to write it that way...Why did u bring up Abomination or Onslaught, r u trying to give me more ammunition? A savage, but not mindless, Hulk was the onlyone able to go toe to toe with Onslaught...Thor and the rest of the heroes couldnt do anything, but Savage Hulk had the strength to go. Hulk shattered Onslaught's armor, and you call it a loss...the resulting backlash split the Hulk from Banner...this result cannot be attributed to physical trauma, but to psionic...Abomination? the last two times they fought, Abom mentioned Betty and Hulk went off and destroyed him...litterally broke his face two fights ago! Superman beat braniac so Superman can beat Hulk? You tried to say Hulk was too stupid to beat Hulk earlier so i mentioned how ur point was invalid seeing Hulk is smarter in some instances and intelligence would not be an advantage for supes...
this is a Hulk Gladiator thread, if u want to argue about supes go find the right thread...dont call me a fanboy, only a fanboy would bring up his favorite hero in a thread about two totally different characters.
Nobody says Hulk is a god, but neither is Superman or Gladiator. Superman is not as strong as Hulk anymore, this is his Post-Crisis persona which is much inferior to his original status. Hulk has gotten his ass handed to him because he's not that crafty a fighter. His strength is still unmatched, angry or not. He doesn't start out as a weakling, and his anger is sparked at the drop of a hat. Some people act as though Hulk has to take awhile to get stronger, he doesn't. He gets angry just by being there, thus his strength increases just by being there. If he's hit one time, his anger magnifies greatly, thus his strength magnifies greatly. The Superman/Hulk battle was a fan-based fight, and holds as much water as the Storm vs. Wonder Woman or Lobo vs. Wolverine fights: both asinine. Superman may in fact win against Hulk, just as Gladiator may in fact win, but Hulk may in fact win too. Plus he did, he beat the holy hell out of Gladiator. People seem to forget that this fight happened and Hulk won.
First off the "only" reason I brought Superman into this conversation is because of his equality to Gladiator...Siiiiiiince I never saw Gladiator fight the hulk I had "no basis" to work with BUT since Gladiator=Superman that's the closest result I could match for my points..so ha!!
Da phuck you mean Superman is not strong as The Hulk NOW, get the hell outta here, last time I checked Superman was as strong as he ever was, no "Post-Crisis" persona, sounds to me like you're pulling facts out of the ass...
My point "invalid"?......This is a thread titled "Hulk vs Gladiator" not "Savage Hulk vs Gladiator", not "Prof Hulk vs Gladiator, but "HULK vs Gladiator", I assumed the out of control, original mindless troll-faced hulk, so what's your point...
You say that the amalgams were unofficial just because your favorite hero got his ass handed to him, majority of the fans just like you and me saw fit that Superman can beat the hulk and thats why the "fan-vote" went in his favor....I'm not a Superman fanboy but in my case Superman=Gladiator...Yeah it was fan-voted...hell in a way this message board is a fanvote of combining opinions to see how many people think the hulk is stronger...so this "fanvote" that you speak of is basically a gathered opinion of comic geeks like you and I in which "MAJORITY" felt superman was stronger....You can't conceive or comprehend that the cheasy and cliche'd "Superman" won...and the hulk ended up laying under a pile of rubble with his hand sticking out...LOL
*sigh* back to the point in hand, I feel Gladiator beat the juggernaut "way to easily" in the cartoon..Even though it was on a show the writers still were from Marvel and they condoned it...I feel Hulk would have a struggle with juggernaut as in plenty of comics I seen both slug it out resulting in no winner..The Gladiator flicked away juggernaut like a flee off a dog....
You claim that the Hulk "would have won" if not for a fan-vote....WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? The writers(Marvel and DC) condoned it, THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET A W-I-N-N-E-R...If DC would have let superman win then marvel fans would get pissed and call foulplay and VICE VERSA....THUS the "N-U-E-T-R-A-L" vote was that of the fans where it came down to the opinions of their consumers....Only Hulk fanboys say lame excuses like "This wasn't official" or "The Hulk didn't get mad enough"...I mean what did would you have liked to happen, how would YOU have decided a winner if you had two big name franchises!?
wrathof achilles: So you're saying basically "what if" Gladiator managed by some twist of fate to instantly tick off the hulk!? well "what if" Gladiator flew into outer space and moved planet earth(ala Superman) into a nearby passing star or a flaming sun!? That's all gladiator has to do...shit why should he care about earth..he's an alien..the fight would cease there..That's all Gladiator would have to do really but the writers feel that wouldn't sell as much so they'll duke it out i.e Gladiator would have to "come down" to hulks level and slug it out in close range battle..
You said yourself hulk is not a crafty fighter, his mentality is just Bash, Bash, Bash, he never strategizes or even "thinks" during a battle..Just all out getting pissed and fighting to his max..Gladiator is more "conscious" of the fight and looks for weak points to find...trust me the hulk isn't the type to "see that he's losing, stop and plans out a battle plan" its all about clobbering to him...
brush up on ur comic knowledge...if u dont know what we mean by post crisis superman then no, ur points r certainly not valid....and u havent even read the fight with Hulk and Gladiator?...why dont u go back to the 1st page of the thread where I conveniently posted the entire fight...Its not even fair for u to argue, ur clearly a fanboy and clearly ignorant since you haent even seen the fight....guess what Gladiator did try sending Hulk into space but still got his ass kicked...Hulk is not just bash bash..maybe in 1963...but not today...u should have respectable knowledge of both the characters before you try to make an argument...especially being as offensive as u have been.
You can believe your point, but remember, in that fan-based vote, Wolverine beat Lobo, who's beaten the snot out of Superman more than once. Do you still wanna call those fan-votes completely valid?
Time to bring back from dreamland the "HULK SMASH" faboys.
Hulk VS Gladiator
This was bad writing, Kallarak fight like a stupid guy who never use his super powers vs a strong being.When Hulk was slowed by eye beams attack, he can easy perform a superfast movement flying up the sky and coming back on the ground hitting Hulk with a full force punch that leaves the green goliath KO.HULK CANNOT become sufficiently strong if he goes KO before he can enrage.Gladiator strenght is above that of Hulk.If Kallark thinks that he possess the strenght to move the moon, he can.He just had to do it and Hulk is KO.He just had to use eye beams at max level melting hulk's flesh and bones.And he possess superspeed that Hulk cannot match.A combo of Kallark best shots leave the Hulk like a milk shake.
Hulk VS Superman
The same things i said about Kallark are the near equal for Kal-El.Post Crisis Superman is not the totally god-like status of Pre-Crisis.But he's still superman.He's still someone that can move starships with dimensions of a neighbourhood or a city.He's still the guy that possess sufficient superspeed to defeat Hulk before the green guy say "HULK SMASH".What?Did he say something?Ask supes after putting him KO with 2punches using 30% or 40% of his strenght.Hey Hulk let me give you some heat, it's winter now and it's cold outside.Heat Vision at max degree.Ops, Hulk now is ashes.
Wanna use some logic?
H can enhance his strenght if G or S make him angry.
But
G or S are above H strenght level when he's not angry, and they are too much fast for H reflexes and reaction time.
So H goes KO before he can surpass G or S strenght limits.
Guys that says "HULK SMASH" or "If Hulk goes angry" are like the "If Batman had time to prepare guys".
He's been offensive like that since his first post. You need to learn your place 'OJ.' You don't come onto these boards with an attitude and expect to be respected. Doesn't work that way. Hulk isn't my 'favorite hero' anyway, where the hell did you get that? My point is Wonder Woman and Lobo lost, which are completely asinine, thus the fan-votes hold as much water as your arguments. Do you honestly think the votes were based on objective views of the characters? You don't know much about democracy then. They were based on favorites, based on the fact that Superman is Superman. In no way does that mean I'm implying Superman would lose to Hulk, it's simply stating that the DC/Marvel crossover has no place in comic-book debates unless it was an actual battle, not a two panel meeting with a cop-out result.
Gladiator moves the planet Earth into the sun? What the hell kind of argument is that? Like nobody's going to stop him? Gladiator certainly has that kind of strength, but he can't do it because there are about 5000 heroes on Earth that would try and succeed in stopping him. Hulk isn't a crafty fighter, but that doesn't mean he's 'Hulk smash,' it really depends on the writer and the storyline. He goes from smarter than Gladiator to much dumber than Gladiator, but it doesn't make a difference. Hulk HAS BEATEN Gladiator. Just because you didn't read it doesn't make it not so. And K3, Gladiator did use his powers on Hulk, they just didn't work. The eye beams hurt him but not enough, he flew him into space but Hulk used a thunderclap to stun him, and proceeded to beat him into unconsciousness, much like Thor did. Gladiator is not unbeatable, he's not equal to Superman because Superman has every possible power the writer can think of. Gladiator was created to be a clone character of Superman, and oftentimes he is used as a punching bag for the powerful characters. I'm not insulting Gladiator, he's most definitely a formidable opponent, but that doesn't stop him from getting his ass handed to him from time to time.
And the 'if Hulk gets angry' is not like 'if Batman had time to prepare' because Hulk is on a whole other level than Batman. If Hulk gets angry he can destroy the armor of Onslaught, if Batman has time to prepare he can build a cool new Batsuit. That doesn't mean he can hang with the big boys. No prep time in the world is going to give Batman the ability to shatter unbreakable armor or hold up mountains, a significantly more useful power.
wrathofachilles: you say people fan-voted the comic of Superman vs Hulk...ok, you think it was a popularity contest...right? Well this "Message board" is exactly the same way, a huge compilation of "opinions" and DC/Marvel felt that opinions would please the fans...it did...The fact is Superman won...the comic..is published....DC/Marvel
had no problem putting it on the shelves...blame them for the hulks lost..since they condoned it..Do you actually think fans care if the comic was fan voted? Only the people on the losing side gives a damn...
K3VIL was not trying to directly compare Batman and The Hulk he was just playing on the "what if" factor...Basically stating well if you tick off the hulk he'll get angry and whoop ass...that's if you push him to that limit without whooping him before, thats a big "IF", sometimes the result of the fight is based on circumstances alone...same with batman "if" he prepared....but that's a big "if"...If Gladiator/Superman went ALL OUT I know they'll use all their seemingly "cheesy" powers to beat the hulk...
They have too many advantages, now if I'm not mistaken the name of this thread is "The Hulk vs Gladiator", leaving the title up for intellectual "debate", I've viewed this thread from top to bottom and saw people posting reasons why Gladiator would win...I am no different...
I feel in a all out battle to the death, Gladiator wins.....He may get "toppled" every now and then but who doesn't!?
I saw Gladiator beat Thor in one comic book, the one where he feels Thor is detrimental to the future and battles him, Glad topples him by separating him and the hammer but some chic comes in(I forgot her name) but she stalls Glad onto Thor catches his breathe and finally bashes Gladiator...So if not for that chic Thor would have been short...
Yes. Gladiator/Superman are cheesy characters whom are slightly weakened to make for good storylines *BUT* that does not erase the fact that those powers are there...I feel the hulk is a basher or slugger rather whom is not as conscious of the battle as Supes or Glad..
You say that if Glad moves the earth into the sun heroes will come "Help" the hulk, so that ends the argument there, if you acknowledge the fact that multiple heroes would have to "team up" and stop Glad from destroying earth and come to hulks aid......
*Off topic*
Tron:Is Banana Cognac any good?
Some of the people on this message board put forth nothing but opinion, but the entire point is to back it up. DC and Marvel did not back up their fights, it was simply polling fan votes. That's the difference between the crossover fights and these fights. Nobody cares which is more popular, which one is more likely to win if these two characters fought in an objective atmosphere. Of course DC and Marvel had no problem putting it on the shelves, lol. That means nothing. Marvel also put on Puisher kills the Marvel Universe on the shelves, and that had him defeating virtually everyone in the MU. Why did they do it? MONEY! That's what it's all about.
Yes Gladiator did beat Thor, and Thor beat Gladiator in another case. And I never said anything about the other heroes helping Hulk. You said Gladiator could simply push the Earth into the Sun, that doesn't have anything to do with him fighting the Hulk, especially since Hulk can't fight in space. My point was saying that Gladiator isn't going to push the Earth into the Sun because he will be stopped. And you keep ignoring the fact that Hulk and Gladiator already fought, and Hulk won. Could Gladiator win another bout? Of course, but the point is, Hulk DID win already, so don't dismiss him with the claim that he couldn't do it. He did.
Intelligence is not the greatest power in the world. That's why we're always so damn bitter.
wrathofachilles, you've just forgot something important.Gladiator powers depends on his will, like a GL Lantern.If a GL is scared and doesn't thrust in his own will is defeated before the fight.The same for Kallark.Kallark thrust in himself totally and thinks he can punch the Hulk like a doll throwing him into space he CAN.In that Issue, Kallark was bad writing cause he just was put here to being defeat by the green goliath.He doesn't use his heat vision at high levels, because if he do it, he can pierce Hulk skin easy.He doesn't use superspeed to heat Hulk and avoi his attacks, he was bad writed.He use a little of eyebeams, 1punch, flew into space and get handclaped on the head, and then put KO after being weakned by radiations.This is not a stalemate battle.It's a pre decide end battle.
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