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You're kidding... Bah. Alright.
Lord Kaan is the Sith lord in Bane's time who unleashed the thought bomb at the Battle of Ruusan that killed all life on the planet, give or take a few souls.
yes there is a guy in star trek 2......star trek 2:the wrath of Khan.
and i know who ur talkin about from SW too.
im not dumb, if there is one thing i can surely state i know most about in here, is movies. SW happens to be my fav one, and the one i know most about.
i think that is a cold and false statement. I'm not saying that I know the most, but there are plenty of people here who I am sure know more than you. Kaan wins.
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so if they said it u wuld tell them the same thinig, no one knows for sure, but i am confident, and i dont think there is anyone in this website anyway, that knows more in general about movies than me. im not trying to sound pompous, and i may be wrong, its just what i think.
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And because I spent time ranting about this on a ESB Vader versus Maul thread over in an episodes section of the forum, I'm gonna paste some of my argument with its arguments as to why Vader couldn't kick any Jedi or Sith's ass who actually had a weapon and two functional eyes.
- Vader was on artificial respiration. Despite all the badassedness potential people say Anakin has, he still couldn't use the Force to keep his own lungs filled with oxygen. If you think he can move faster via the Force or whatnot, I'd like for you to put an oxygen mask on and run a few laps. If you don't pass out, you might be able to do one or two moves.
- His legs from the knees down are artificial, as is one of his arms. While some people think he could tweak these for an advantage, that's not taking Vader as he is, but rather as you would have him. And if that's the case, let all his opponents have enhanced cyber suits for a fair fight. In any case, this idea is ludicrous. Unless you could find a scientific engineering process that would make the Vader suit faster while still controllable, I'd never ever believe this and neither should anyone else.
- Vader was a middle aged man in ESB with more health problems then a WWII vet out of Okinawa. He quite simply isn't anywhere near as fast as he was, nor as human. His Force affinity has been msotly lost, and in any case it's not like he had to use it all that much after the Jedi Purge. It's not like he had been in a decent fight in the last twenty plus years, either.
- MistaMandalore, you say Vaders skill with a lightsaber is never really seen. You could argue that point for every Jedi and Sith in the series, because we only see a few (if that many) battles for each character, and each of those is limited in length from as small as half a minute to perhaps three or five. None of them are really, honestly enough to base one's complete skill in any case. It would be like seeing two rounds of the Rocky versus Tyson match and saying Tyson wins because he's champ. Let me put this in perspective... -That doesn't make a logical argument statement to support your beliefs.- And that, my friends, makes your words worth a bit less than the air they sailed out on.
Actually, both of his arms are mechanical. And he has droids that are built similarly to Grievous (they're his own design really) and that's how he practices his saber skills.
George Lucas has claimed that Grievous is the "prototype vader" Based on that, I think it is safe to assume that Vader's arms and legs were constructed similarly to Grievous' so that they could withstand combat and be able to keep up with him.
You're right, Vader is much slower than Anakin. However, the darkside is powerful enough, combined with his affinity with the force,(which never goes away, I mean the force is his daddy) that I still think he could take out virtually any Jedi we have seen. Sith however, with one good shot of lightning would likely waste him, unless his powers are more than I give him credit for.
And if you don't believe me that's cool, but do you really think Sidious, in all of his Sith knowledge and power, wouldn't have at least the blue prints to make Vader stronger and faster?
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Registered: Feb 2005
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It's far fetched. I mean, if there was an instance where vader goes hardcore cyber ninja style, I'd relent. But it didn't happen, therefore I won't assume it could have. Hardcore Cyber Ninja Vader.... HCNV.... sounds like a disease...
But I still refuse to believe the Force is Anakin's daddy. And for this reason...
Being raised by a single mother, and having known many dedicated mothers, I could perfectly see and identify with Shmi lying to Qui Gon about her son being born of the Force just so they'd take him in and he'd be away from that enslaved existance. I mean, if you had a kid whom you loved like no other but oth of you were in a bad spot, and you could get him or her safely away and have him or her be raised as a great Jedi knight, wouldn't you fib?
On the other hand, I didn't see a birth certificate with The Living Force as his daddy. And I can't fathom why the Force would take such drastic measures to impregnate some slave human woman with a prodigy child that would end up causing more harm then good and would never realize his potential. Seeing as Sidious is a Force user, why not make him have some kind of accident? Or have his ship collide with another Force user with an undefined but glamourous future? There are a million and one other ways Sidious could have more effectively been dealt with than this so-called prophecy. It just reeks of "Hey, let's throw this in in the prequels and see if it floats."
lol, I see what you mean, but as Lucas has said, and Episode 3 will prove(Yoda mainly) Anakin was conceived by the will of the force and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
And of course we never saw HCNV, because
A. It was way back when, so technology couldn't support that type of dueling
B. Considering their budget, Lucas was more concerned with the story telling than looking cool (ironically his largest flaw now)
C. You've said it before as well, the sabers they used back then were very weak and therefore unaible tro be swung as fast as they can now (this is ellaborating on technology)
As much as I hate the thought, how do we know Lucas won't go back again and change things , like make the fighting better or something?
He's done it before, and there darkside is strong in him.
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I admit that hes a GEEZER, and he has health problems. BUT
Although I do believe that Lord Kaan is an Ultimate Badass. Vader is THE Ultimate Badass.
He has 10,000+ Mediclorians, MORE THAN YODA as stated in Episode II.
He has more connection with the force than any BEING THAT EVER EXISTED.
I believe that because of his connection with the force he could do anything any other Jedi could but with more power, IF he was taught the ability.
Because he has a more powerful Connection with the force and his Hatred of his own past would Fuel his rage and he would ***** SLAP Kaan.
What makes you think he couldn't Augment his abilties as Yoda and Palpatine do. Just cus hes an old man don't mean anything. You have no idea the powers he could use. (Only Lucas does)
P.S. Although he cannot use Force Lightning since he has no Hands (you need hands to do it and defend against it, without a lightsaber)
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So Kaan made a thought bomb,destroying all Sith and Jedi on Ruusan.Except Darth Bane.Still now nobody knows how Darth Bane escaped.I think i'm going with Vader here,cuz i'm still not convinced that Kaan is any better then Vader.
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Re: Lord Kaan versus Darth Vader
Nowhere does it say Anakin/Vader has more midi-chlorians than anyone ever of all time, permanently. It merely says he has a high count, higher than Yoda apparently. It is not "Of all time" or ever. And it didn't save his ass from Obi-Wrath on Mustafar. After Mustafar, GL says himself that Vader is much weaker, and his potential has been more or less stunted and then capped.
Lord Kaan, however, was a leader among dark Jedi and, though not mentally stable, was able to wield Force powers Anakin/VAder couldn't dream of and didn't have the time to master. Anakin before the suit wasn't masterful enough in the Force to defeat Obi, and Yoda would own his ass silly.
I honestly can't see an argument that makes me convinced Vader could win, especially the Chosen One theory.
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