That was do to the technology available back then. With current technology, he would be a pimp. Luke also solidly beat Vader during that brief period of rage.
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i know what you mean about the technology thing, i say the same thing about vader. But i think that if vader had no feelings at all towards luke at the time and he was just planning to kill him and not turn him to the darkside, he would have defeated luke before luke used his rage.
Well Luke was the one who said that he wouldent fight him and Darth said he would die for that mistake. He almost killed him by tossing his lightsaber. Luke kicked Darth down the stairs about 30 seconds in the fight, if he wanted he could have ended it there. Luke was the one not wanting to kill Darth, until he mentioned Leia.
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I agree it's not a good argument but really, Anakin is a weaker Darth Vader don't you think?. I really don't think Lucas intentions was to make a padawan Anakin be better than the Lord of the Sith (second to Palpatine).
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Luke for sure. he beat Vader. Now, lets look at the facts.
Luke is stronger than Vader (after Vader got injured). Source: ROTJ
In ROTS Anakin is twice as strong as he was in AOTC. Source: ROTS
Vader lost 1/2 his power when he got injured(source: George Lucas), meaning ROTS mechanical Vader = AOTC Anakin
But Vader hadn't reached his full potential yet by ROTS, meaning he still had room to get stronger. After getting his injuries he lost 1/2 his power and 1/2 his potential, but still he had room to grom (if his full potential was 100 and he was at 50 then he got injured he's be at 25 with his full potential at 50, thus leaving room to grow stronger). So even if Vader never ever got any stronger after becoming mechanical we know form this information that Luke is stronger, since we know Mechanical Vader is at least as strong as AOTC Anakin and Luke is stronger than mechanical Vader.
Did you notice how both the ROTJ Vader AND Luke, during their saber fight, were just stepping to one another and swinging their swords like Medieval soldiers in Braveheart?
Where as, we see Anakin flipping and blocking and swinging like a madman--in comparison to Luke and Vader that is....Yoda was even crazier. Lets see OT Jedi dance the way that PT Jedi danced.
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Okay, where does it say that Luke is stronger than Vader? ROTJ? In ROTJ, he battered down Vader in a suit. Vader wasn't really putting up much of a fight, but as soon as Luke decides not to go through with the killing blow and gets shocked, Vader is right up on his feet. If you ask me, it's like the same scenario with Anakin and Dooku in ROTS; Vader was throwing the fight.
Second, Anakin says "My powers have doubled since we last met, Count." From ROTS. Is this supposed to be an accurate, canon measure of Anakin's abilities? I don't think so. Anakin also says that Obi-Wan is as wise as master Yoda and as strong as Master WIndu. Also, in ROTS, Obi-Wan calls Anakin wise and strong. The former, we know he's not.
So really, none of this proves anything. Luke beat Vader but he isn't neccessarily better. In the same scenario in ROTS, Anakin beat Dooku who was a very proficient duellist of considerable experience. And in TPM, Obi-Wan defeated a Sith Lord as a padawan, though he was not neccessarily better.
I think the real question that needs to be addressed here is how can ROTJ Luke be better than a jedi with ten years of training? I personally don't see it.
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