Read what kamikz said. Anakin is not wise. Anyway, who says they're chosen form wisdom and wisdom only?
Yeaj but still, most of the Council members are strong as well. The four strongest PT Jedi are on the Council. Generally the Council members are all strong for Jedi. Based on that and the fact that Poof's a Jedi Master I'd guess he's a pretty strong Jedi. Not saying he'd beat Asajj.
Hmm Cin was stronger then most council members he wasn't a council member. Dooku wasn't a council member in TPM and he was far more powerful then most people in the council. Stronger in the force and with a lightsaber and wiser too if you ask me. There is a reason why people are let into the council and its not always strength in any way or form.
Asajj Ventress gets another Jedi skull to hang on her wall. The woman beat Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Well, the latter would have been defeated twice had there been no interference. Once in the Cestus Deception (Kit saves his ass), and once in the comics, where he escapes on a star ship. Poof has some ability, but next to someone like this, he'll be nothing if not wasted.
Actually, I'd put Luminara as one of the only Jedi outside of Le Six who could defeat Ventress. With the exception of maybe Kit Fisto. But both of them would be pressed like living hell. Fisto lost once as it is, but I think he has a chance if he'd done that well. And Luminara, well, she's a Soresu master rivaling Kenobi.
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I'm surprised she's not better than him, considering she was a master and a Soresu practitioner before TPM (See The Approaching Storm and Cloak of Deception). Obi-Wan must be really good to surpass her.
Dude, Obi-Wan is the height of good. He's incredible. Look at what he's done. Hell, if I hadn't read EU, I'd put him on par with Windu. He's put Maul on his back at the age of 25, stood up to Dooku and had him giving ground at 35, and 38, he defeated a droid general who slaughtered Jedi for a living, ravaged an entire star cruiser, and defeated in single combat the Sith responsible for the death of a thousand Jedi. He would have been amazing had he cut loose in combat like he did against Maul. Imagine him as a Sith Lord. . . damn.
Oh yeah Obi Wan was brilliant, thats why he won all those fights. But was he actually better with a lightsaber? He was a better fighter, but i'm not so sure if he was better with that weapon. It would be hard to do, to become better then somebody that has practiced a lot longer then you.
Well, tactical thinking and mental aptitude aren't going to win fights on their own. It takes skill and ability to do what he did. Now, there are maybe four or five people in his time who could outduel him, and we know who they are. Two of them happen to be Sith Lords. Taking this into account, I can safely say that Obi-Wan was in the top three Jedi duelists of the time, unles Anakin is considered. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the top ten Jedi duelists of all time. His superiors would include:
Luke Skywalker
Master Yoda
Mace Windu
Nomi Sunrider
Cay Qel-Droma
Vodo-Siosk Bass
Vandar (?)
And actually, that's all I can think of. I doubt that Kavar or Vrook could take him, despite the time period they lived in. And Vandar I'm not sure about, either. Keep in mind however, that this includes pure Jedi only, not Anakin and Ulic-type converts.
Point is, I don't see how Obi-Wan's saber skills can be denied or in any way lessened. Tactical thinking will only take you so far.
Lastly, Fishy, how could Obi-Wan have floored Maul the way he did through tactical ability? You saw the fight. He matched him blow for blow, forced him back, and completely floored him. That was dueling skill right there, not simply being a 'good fighter'.
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No, i'm not saying he is weak with a lightsaber... I'm just saying that perhaps he isn't as good with a lightsaber as Luminara. Pure lightsaber fighting he might be beaten, of course a fight is never like that so he wouldn't lose. Don't get me wrong I don't think she can beat Obi Wan. And I do think Obi Wan is a better fighter, but I don't know if he controls Form III beter then she does. Thats all I'm saying.
And actually I would rate Obi Wan high, but that high? Come on seriously...
Well, who would you put above him? Can you name a Jedi not on that list who would defeat him in a duel?
Don't get me wrong, Luminara was incredible. But I just don't think she can match his aptitude for the weapon. From a young age, Obi-Wan has proven himself more than capable time and time again. Hell, he held off a Dark Jedi, Xanatos, when he and Jinn were seperated. Unduli may have agility, flexibility, and certain physical attributes on her side that would give her an advantage, but I just can't see her surpassing Obi-Wan.
Vandar, Kavar, Vrook, Zez Kai-Eil and every other Jedi Master from every other time that had a high position and actual experience against Dark Jedi and Sith.. Ohh Obi Wan is good for his time, but you have to admit he just doesn't match the greats.
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Obi-Wan is damn good, but not exactly der über Jeedai. He can be defeated. ANd who better to put up a damn good fight and possibly beat him then his old compatriot and partner? Either Kit Fisto or Luminara could put Obi-Wan through fits. Anakin was a better duellist in terms of natural talent and skill, but he never mastered the head game, and Obi-Wan owned him. Also, Obi-Wan was entirely on the defensive fighting Grievious, but when the general turned the tables, Obi-Wan was frighteningly close to dying. I personally think that Grievious didn't give Obi-Wan enough credit and paid for it with a few less arms, but still, Obi-Wan didn't neccessarily overwhelm Grievious either.
Anyways, I'm getting off the point. The point is that both are Soresu masters, and this fight could take forever. But if there was a flaw or weakness, I'm betting Obi-Wan would be the first to expose it; even watching his style in ROTS shows he isn't flawless, and Luminara's agility and dexterity is described as otherworldly. Her coordination is better than his, and for that reason I'll say she has a good chance to beat him in what could be the longest battle ever.
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Back on topic...Yarael was a master of mind tricks. Assaj isn't a weak minded foll. Yarael was rumored to be a dangerous opponet with a lightsaber. Assaj nearly killed "the chosen one" Skywalker. The only way Skywalker defeated her was by feeding his rage. That says alot for Assaj. Yarael was a decent Jedi but he in my opinion was a master of the force, not the lightsaber. Assaj wins.
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Luke
Marka
Nadd
Exar
Ulic
Naga
Ludo
Tulak(we know he is powerful)
Ajunta(see above)
Sidious
Dooku
Vodo
Yoda
Mace
Vandar maybe
Simus
Lord Hoth
Shimera(maybe)
Darth Bane
Lord Kaan
Nihius(of course)
Cay
Cray(I think he is different than Cay)
Nomi
and probably some others
edit: didnt see only Jedi. Still, there are some Jedi more in my list.
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