TPM novel says Qui-Gon's saber skills rival Mace's. TPM Dooku beat Mace (and this is a weaker version of Dooku than AOTC-ROTS Tyranus). Still, Mace is probably the strongest Jedi in the Order at the time of TPM (besides Yoda and Dooku).
On the other hand Anakin (ROTS) is second only to Mace and Yoda as far as Jedi go, managed to defeat Dooku (still a big acclompishment even if Dooku wasn't trying), defeated Cin with one hand (or se we think) and is very strong.
I'd say Anakin, barely. Mace is smarter, Anakin has better saber skills and they are probably tied in pure Force skills. So it'd be close but I'd say saber skills count more than intelligence in a duel.
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It doesn't make sense that lightsaber combat saber-to-saber wise would improve neccessarily with war with droids, either.
Point being, ROTS Anakin lost decisively to ROTS Obi-Wan. Mace in his entire career as a jedi has only ever lost to Yoda and Dooku saber-to-saber. ROTS Anakin could probably NOT beat Yoda or Dooku, even as of TPM, period. So why would he beat Windu?
Sure it does. I makes them have better reflexes, have stronger muscles, have more endurance, train harder...
For one thing, Vader lost to Obi-Wan. I never said Anakin could beat any version of Dooku or Yoda. But we know TPM Mace is weaker than TPM Yoda/Dooku. But also Yoda didn't get as much stronger between TPM and ROTS (if he even got stronger) as Mace did since he didn't do as much fighting and had probably already reached his prime.
On another note, more people have said Mace in this thread. 6 people have said Mace so I am curious as to why there are only 2 votes for Mace
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Sure it does. I makes them have better reflexes, have stronger muscles, have more endurance, train harder...
But it doesn't neccessarily make one a tremendously better saber user. Especially considering that mace created his own lightsaber style and was a Jedi master second on the council before Anakin could say his ABDs.
For one thing, Vader lost to Obi-Wan.
This is arguing semantics. ROTS Vader and Anakin are the same exact people, different handles and Vader has some neat-o contacts. There is NO difference in their abilities. ROTS Anakin and ROTS Vader are the same. Hell, the same day he's appointed a Sith Lord he's defeated. What is the difference?
I never said Anakin could beat any version of Dooku or Yoda. But we know TPM Mace is weaker than TPM Yoda/Dooku.
Not by much, and in any case, this doesn't prove the case for Anakin. So far, Anakin has no case.
But also Yoda didn't get as much stronger between TPM and ROTS (if he even got stronger) as Mace did since he didn't do as much fighting and had probably already reached his prime.
Unsupported speculation. Evidence of this?
On another note, more people have said Mace in this thread. 6 people have said Mace so I am curious as to why there are only 2 votes for Mace
Most people don't take the time to vote, since it reloads the page and it's a futile gesture anyways.
I'm not sure on this fight. Everyone else basically doubled in power, why didn't Mace(excluding Yoda, but he shoudn't count).
At least he has a good chance. Better than Anakin. IF his skill in ep3 was due to his fighting in the Clone Wars, then I would give this to Anakin. But really, all he did was go spend a few weeks in the jungle and kill a lot of droids on Dantooine. With his fist. Killing those droids with fist isn't going to help him against a lightsaber and the Jungle time mainly is going to keep him from falling to the Darkside, not improve his skill.
I'm leaning towards Mace, but I'm not sure.
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No, it wouldn't make one tremendously better at dueling, but it does make them better. Also, I'm sure Mace practiced with other Jedi during the gap between TPM and ROTS (we saw him spar with Vos) and he also fought Depa, Bulq and Asajj is duels, which made him just a bit stronger I'm sure. And did Mace master Vaapad by TPM? I didn't know he had mastered it by then. But I don't know alot about that stuff.
I think there is. Vader fights with rage and is more overconfident. Also I've heard Lucas has said Anakin's stronger than Obi-Wan, meaning Anakin is stronger than vader. Sinse I know you hate it when I say things without supporting any proof but myn own words I'll try to find out where/when he said it.
Sure he does. Apparently you think Qui-Gon's saber skills could at least rival Anakin's. But I guess you said Mace would pwn Anakin so I guess you think Qui-Gon would beat Anakin too, right?
Well, you really think he got stronger? Just sitting on his ass in the Council Chambers?
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Whoa! Not cool. We belive the same thing in this forum and you put in a quote from someone else. I didn't say that.
Didn't want to double post. The clone wars definately heightened any jedis skills (that lived). In ROTS Anakin is one of the most powerful Jedis ever, not saying that Mace isn't in TPM, but Anakin would be able to take him. Anakin has the speed to take on Windu's Vaapad I would think.
ps- Has Windu mastered Vaapad by TPM?
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