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Every damn main character in the movies has better saber skills then Sidious. So what ? Yoda has, Mace has (and he won his fight against Sidious - contradict Lucas as much as you like, fanboy), Obi-Wan and Anakin have, Dooku has. So what ?
He could not have beaten Depa in Shatterpoint. It's said that she is too fast for him and their fight ends with Mace having a lightsaber sticked to body. If he could have easily beaten her (without injuring / killing her) he would have done that.
Maul uses Juyo. Vaapad = completion of Juyo.
As far as Force goes we have somebody on Council level vs a better Dark Jedi. Has Maul ever deflected blaster fire from two different directions and reflected 7 blaster bolts into a single hole on a moving target (like Depa did in Shatterpoint) ?
OMG. Depa is a Jedi Master, was on the Council in TPM times, is one of the two persons who ever mastered Vaapad and is said to be close to Mace on several ocassions - something that people here can't simply accept as far as it seems. She's better than everybody Maul has fought.
Depa has seen quite some battles while being trained by Mace. Then she had several months on a Jungle Planet fighting a guerilla war, in Shatterpoint she enters a gunboat (or something like that) and kills 20 or 30 people in it on her own. And she duelled Mace and gave him some nice hits (through his defence). I'm sure Mace could have beaten her if he wanted to fight her and would have been in normal condition but he wouldn't have done that easily.
Maul has fought four Jedi (Darsha, Anoon, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan)...he killed one (Qui-Gon), two commited suicide and both nearly killed him with that (Darsha, Anoon) and Obi-Wan killed him.
@Avis:
Can they defeat a Vaapad master in a lightsaber fight in AotC times ? I pretty much doubt that.
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1) I'd say Mace, Tyranus, Obi and Ani have equal saber skills with Sidious. And Luke, Qui-Gon, Grievous, any Obi-Wan/Ani except ROTS have worse saber skills than Sidious.
2) No, in Shatterpoint he wasn't trying. Somebdy who knows the book better than I do, please help me.
3) Yup, Maul has done that.
4) Maybe nshe is, maybe not. But Jinn is said to be close to Mace and Maul beat him.
5) Yeah, two committed suicide to try and kill him and failed. I seriously doubt depa would have survived the explosion Anoon Bondara created.
6) Depa may have done alot but there's no use denying that Maul has more experience as far as saber dueling goes.
7) Maul was trained for a simply purpose: To kill Jedi. He'd beat Depa.
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He didn't try to kill her. He did try to defend against her attacks and failed at least two times to do so.
Maul used two lightsabers and deflected 7 blaster bolts from different directions in a single hole on a moving target ? In your dreams ?
Jinn being close to Mace ? When ? In TPM times ? Any copies of "Shadow Hunter" should be burned...really...
No. She would have killed him before he had the chance to create this explosion.
Denying ? You should not deny that Depa had more saber duelling experience than Maul. She was trained from infancy on and sad on the Council in TPM times which means that she had 13 years of train before becoming a Padawan, another 10-12 years as a Padawan under Mace (with practice fights against him), then another 10-12 years training own Padawans to be on the Council. But Maul has more experience ?
Oh. Great reasoning. Simply completely ignore the fact that Maul was killed by a Padawan who destroyed his lightsaber before and put him on his ass. Depa would waste him.
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See...that was the point as Shatterpoint is very close to AotC. Depa could be the number 3 Jedi when it comes to lightsaber combat at this time (behind Mace and Yoda).
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Well, neither Cin nor Luminara are lightweights, but Depa is crazy good. You have to imagine she mastered Vaapad before her fall, and this implies incredible saber mastery since the style mixes many others.
Vapaad is an extention of Juyo. Juyo, being an unfinised form, had to be completed by whatever else the user knew, probably their training in form one. Vapaad also adds a state of mind to it. It was rumored that it required knowledge of Makashi and Djem So, but that was just that, a rumor. Even if the rumor was true, it doesn't require all of Forms 2 or 5.
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1) The Mace vs. depa thing is just dumb. Mace'd pwn her.
2) Okay, so he didn't. Whatever.
3) Yes, Jinn was close to Mace in TPM times.
4) Shadow Hunter is a good book, IMHO. Anyone caught burning any copies of it should be punished.
5) yeah, I'm sure Depa would beat Anoon Bondara is like 3 seconds
6) I never said more experience. I said more dueling experience. Who has Depa dueled in a real duel? Nobody I know of.
7) Yeah, Maul got killed by a Padawan but Depa died of a coma.
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Exactly! Would you consider Maul throwing Kenobi into a Generator shaft a "Fair and Square" win? Kenobi was doing fine with Maul the entire fight. Kenobi sooner or later got the upper hand and Maul failed to react quick enough and was killed due to poor reaction time and bad saber skills. He lost and was ultimately defeated.
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1) The Mace vs. depa thing is just dumb. Mace'd pwn her.
Yeah, exactly why he gives props to her and her deadliness the ENTIRE BOOK. Because he'd just pwn her.
2) Okay, so he didn't. Whatever.
Oh snap. What a statement o' logic.
3) Yes, Jinn was close to Mace in TPM times.
Proof of this? Oh wait... the single line of hyperbole in the TPM novelisation. In Cloak of Deception, Qui-Gon has trouble taking out a sniper at medium range. Mace Windu sailed through the battle a Geonosis, landed, and decaptiated Jango Fett, the deadliest man in the galaxy and a far cry from the goon Qui nearly died to. Now, assumig you're right and they were about equal, Mace Windu must have -really- done some training in ten years to become -that- good, huh?
Please, before claiming this as fact, substantiate it.
4) Shadow Hunter is a good book, IMHO. Anyone caught burning any copies of it should be punished.
I think it's okay. It's a virtual Maul fanboy appeasement piece, but the same could be said for other books.
5) yeah, I'm sure Depa would beat Anoon Bondara is like 3 seconds
Considering her experience and style and known feats of deadliness, I'd say possibly.
6) I never said more experience. I said more dueling experience. Who has Depa dueled in a real duel? Nobody I know of.
And who has Yoda dueled in a real duel before AOTC? Was he weaker than anyone else just because you didn't see it happen?
7) Yeah, Maul got killed by a Padawan but Depa died of a coma.
No, she did not die of a coma. Have you ever heard of anyone dying of a coma? They don't exactly leap up and take you out. She suffered shock and mental damage in the war and because of the lure of Vaapad. This effectively put her in a catatonic coma. She died in the purge, presumably, because she could not be supported nor could she defend herself.
And Maul still got schooled by TPM Obi-Wan, who would die in a fight against a seasoned Vaapad fighter. So please, give up.
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Why do you people always say TPM Obi-Wan schooled Maul? I mean in TPM Obi is no where near Qui-Gon and correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Maul kill Qui-Gon?
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