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bigsef2
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: United States
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The end of Episode III!!!!....
The way I see it, there is a major problem Lucas will have to solve with Episode III: showing anakins fall to the dark side, while at the same time, not giving away that anakin is darth vader, which would spoil the surprise in Empire Strikes Back when Vader tells luke that he is his father. I've thought about it alot, and the only solution i see is that we will NOT see Darth Vader in Episode III, nor will we see the Jedi hunted down and murdered, nor will we see Obiwan spilt up Luke and Leia and go into hiding. Now just bear with me for a second.
If we see Anakin turn into Vader in Episode III, then anyone watching the series in order will know Vader is Lukes father the second we hear Luke's last name. I think in Episode III, Anakin will turn to the dark side, and Obiwan will battle with him. Finally, EPISODE III WILL END WITH OBIWAN (apparently) KILLING ANAKIN, probably in the lava pit.
Now that would be a little dissapointing for those of us (myself included) who want to see the Jedi hunted down, but it works best when you think about the big picture. When we first see Vader in ANH, we will not know he used to be that cute little boy, he will just be one bad-ass sith terrorizing the galaxy. And when Ben tells luke that Darth Vader killed his father, Anakin father, we will know that Ben is lying, but we will think it is because HE KILLED LUKES FATHER, and doesn't want Luke to know. Then, in Empire and Jedi, we finally find out the truth about lukes father, and why Ben said what he did. Anyway, I know thats alot of reading, but I wanted to tell everyone my idea and see what you guys thought.
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Nov 16th, 2001 09:42 PM |
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Ratcat
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Because the Vader brathing isn't a big clue right?
Sorry, but the whole point is to get Anakin into the big, black.
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Nov 16th, 2001 11:25 PM |
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peluffo
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Mza- Argentina
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I agree with you (even in be dissapointed if we not see Vader making his stuff with jedis), and I think as you that it could be the way to fix up the events to make a whole story of 12 hours and keep those who didn't see it yet, seated on the edge of the chairs...
But that breathing, I don't know... I think i'ts an epic story, where the end doesn't matter, it's known by everyone, but the way it will be spelled it's the real point.
I'm still think your "solution" is correct.
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Nov 16th, 2001 11:33 PM |
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yerssot
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well, I hope he would let us see OB1 vs Anakin,
A falls in the lavapit, OB1 screams, walks away, asks to leave the JC (if they still exist)
at the end of the movie you hear James Earl Jones with the breathing: "What is thy bidding, my master?"
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Nov 17th, 2001 08:55 AM |
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ToMacco
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: A bar in Minnesota
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Anakin won't understand why he can't love Padme. Palpatine is going to convince him that he is the most powerful Jedi ever, and that it would be better to get rid of them.
So after Padme dies, he's going to kill all the Jedi, because he wants to rule the galaxy that wouldn't allow him to be the person he wants to be.
Then Obi-wan is gonna whop him good
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Nov 17th, 2001 10:13 AM |
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dark lord
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Location: uk
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as dooku survives to episode 3 gl has to fit in two lightsabre duels, after seeing the 3rd trailer i think that it gives a lot of clues to anakins what sort of person he is , i think one of the reasons he turns is that he ofers him the quick route to power and strength, i don't know how gl will end ep3 without spoiling empire
i have read that james earl has said that he will be in ep3 4 about 15/20 mins of course there is no way gl can show vader hunting down the jedi
but i do think that one member of the jc will feel the power of vader
and i have a feeling that mace windu won't last till the end of ep3, rember the look ani gives mace when mace says that he won't be trained in the tpm
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Nov 17th, 2001 11:20 AM |
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yerssot
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dl; to be honest, James Earl Jones said that he MIGHT be in EpIII for 15-20 minutes, that's still a might though
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Nov 17th, 2001 12:04 PM |
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REXXXX
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Location: San DiegoModerator
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I read some wacky story plot somewhere that Obi and Ani have the supposed duel over the lava pit. Anakin loses and Obi-Wan takes the fallen Jedi's lightsaber, hence Luke receives it in Ep. IV.
Palpatine has a rescue squad save Anakin from the lava pit, but he is already badly injured, hence the mechanical stuff in Vader's body and Vader's messed up breathing (unless he has adnoids).
Anakin is turned evil and becomes Vader. Palpatine forms some council of 7 Sith lords. One is Xio Jade (Mara's Mom?), another Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku), Vader, and Sidious, still unknown to be ol' stupid Palpy. Padme and Obi are captured. Darth Bane comes out of nowhere. Bane is about to kill Padme and Obi, but Darth Vader jumps in the way and shields Padme from the Force lightning. Vader doesn't care if Obi dies.
Mace and Yoda come aboard the ship they are on. The seven lords start duking it out for leadership. Xio turns traitor and takes Padme, Obi-Wan, and Yoda aboard her ship, the Millennium Falcon. Vader kills all of the Sith lords except Xio and Palpy. Palpy feels Xio's betrayal.
They pick up Jar Jar and head for Dagobah. Padme gives birth to her kids  there, hence Luke saying that he somehow remembers the place vaguely. Yoda stays behind on Dagobah. Mace is dead. Obi takes Luke to the Lars' Homestead. He goes into hiding there. Padmetakes Leia to Alderaan to Bail Organa, a trusted friend of hers from the Senate. Jar Jar and her go into hiding as well, hence she and Jar Jar aren't in the Classic Trilogy.
I think the person who wrote was barely thinking of the Star Wars we know and love when he wrote this, even though he put the writer a GL. I think Jar Jar dies a painful death, Padme is killed by someone other than Anakin, Luke & Leia are born on Dagobah, and that Xio Jade doesn't exist. I haven't gone to the Millennium Falcon databank to see if it says anything about Xio Jade being an owner besides Lando and Han.
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Nov 19th, 2001 12:22 AM |
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REXXXX
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Another thing about that wacky story. Darth Bane would be thousands of years old unless he did the same thing as Exar Kun and did something with his spirit before he died. Impossible. I think the person who wrote this was thinking up ideas for HIS Episode III. He tried to trick me!
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Nov 19th, 2001 12:26 AM |
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Leia_2000
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Canada
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 Your right about how george lucas should be making episode III so that it doesn't wreck the movie for people watching it in order, however, it's likely that most people already know that anakin vadar who's luke's father-I didn't see any of the star wars movies until a couple years ago, and because of my friends I barely needed to! (don't worry, I did, and loved them  ) but who knows oh well, I'm sure that however it happens, it'll be great |
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Nov 19th, 2001 12:33 AM |
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REXXXX
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Good thing you saw the movies. If I didn't like Star Wars and never saw the movies and never went to this website... Okay. I know tons and tons and tons of things about Ep. II (characters, ending, stuff like that), but that only makes me want to see the movie MORE.
P.S.: I wish I knew how to redo my signature.
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Nov 19th, 2001 05:07 AM |
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ToMacco
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Go to 'user cp' on the top of your screen. Then go to 'edit options'. Then you can change it.
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Nov 19th, 2001 05:20 AM |
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REXXXX
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Thanks, but I have NO IDEA where 'user cp' and the 'edit whatever' are.
Point it out!
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Nov 19th, 2001 03:29 PM |
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mah
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the buttons on the top of the screen
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Nov 19th, 2001 04:15 PM |
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yerssot
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to be honest: one of the stupidest endings I've ever heared! Yeah right! 7 bad guys? Only two there are!
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Nov 19th, 2001 04:22 PM |
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Ushgarak
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The amount of fan fiction that has been written about the lava pit duel... I'd be very wary of ANYTHING you hear about this thing that still exists only in potential.
Meanwhile, we can be pretty certain that linking Anakin and Vader is a central point of the film. After all, GL DID make the middle parts first, TPM would NEVER have been like it was if it had been the actual first film made; the new films really are made with the originals in mind.
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Nov 19th, 2001 08:40 PM |
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bigsef2
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: United States
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i agree for the most part. GL has said time and again that basically the whole thing is one 12 hour long movie. in the end, there will NOT be 2 6-hour trillogys. it will be one movie with six chapters that tell a story. GL cant give away too much information in episodes II and III, which would affect the later episodes. I personally dont think we will have a
'surprise' in episode II or III along the lines of what we had in episodes V and VI.
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Nov 19th, 2001 09:45 PM |
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ToMacco
Mr. Orange
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: A bar in Minnesota
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I think Lucas will throw something in II or III that was hidden in the OT. Then we'll go back and watch it, and say "how could we have missed that?"
One theory of mine is that the entire Jedi Order is destroyed (Obi-wan and Yoda too) But are cloned. That's why they disapear.
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Nov 20th, 2001 04:22 AM |
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REXXXX
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That's messed up. ToMacco, I finally changed my sig. I tried changing the color. Anyway, I read that it was seven Sith MASTERS, not all a bunch of apprentices to Palpy. Vader is Palpy's apprentice at the time.
I don't believe the thing I found anyway. To unbelievable. Aldera.net has a more "real" one.
I'm beginning to think the lava duel is fake due to all the fan fics about it. I mean, GL hasn't leaked anything about it anyway! Anakin could have turned and tried to kill the Jedi a first time and lost. He could have fought reeks (Jango Fett's murderer. A bull-like animal on Geonasis). A rancor, Tuskens, stormtroopers, whatever.
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Nov 20th, 2001 05:02 AM |
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ToMacco
Mr. Orange
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: A bar in Minnesota
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That's only true if he turns on Obi-wan first (which is very likely). We know Ben wins.
But in ANH Ben does say Vader helped hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. So he is gonna be a part of it.
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