Oh I'm not doubting that the Spurs are the best, I'm just saying they're beatable if Utah can do it the Cavaliers can, and again I don't think I made it clear I have no doubt that the Spurs WILL beat the Cavaliers, I'm just saying it WILL NOT be a sweep. And I still saw Lebron driving to the lane and drawing fouls as long as he catches the ball of a pass and drives he's fine. As for Gibson his specailty isn't driving to the lane its 3 pointers, and as I said give him open looks and he will almost certainly drain them, unlike Donell Marshall, Damon Jones, and Larry Hughes.
We've seen what the Cavs can do if they step their defense up (see Game 1: first half when they kept the "almighty Spurs" to only a 5 point lead WITH Tony Parker shitting on them and WITH Lebron on the bench, had their offense been flowing they would have had the lead at the half.) and with the home court advantage, the Cavs will almost certainly take Game 3.
The Jazz got one win Styles, and the cavs are NO Utah, trust me on this. The Cavs wouldn't contend with any of the teams in the Western COnference playoffs. Lebron will always get his, or at least some. He will drive sure, but San Antonio has effectively shut him down thus far. His teammates suck, but that's irrelevant because they still got by a shitty conference.
I guess you forgot that the Spurs don't normally take a team out early, like the Phoenix Suns. They do it once in a while but their game is wearing a team down til the end, and throwing in the killing blow. In game 2 they decided to go the unusual route. Not to mention game 1 of the series is rarely indicative of what's going to happen(except in this series which it's obvious). The Cavs are nowhere near as good as the Spurs, NOWHERE.
Seven? Are you insane? The Cavs aren't the 2005 Pistons, they're thorougly outmatched. I'll put money on Spurs in 5.
Thats some HEAVY underrating for the Cavs, while I do agree the Suns would beat the Cavs, to say the Cavs couldn't beat the Jazz, I know Carlos Boozer is a monster in the paint but come on...and they couldn't contend with the Lakers either who are essentially Kobe Bryant and 4 fans with on the court seats? Or the f*cking Warriors...
And as I said LeBrons teammates don't completely suck, Eric Snow on defense, Gibson for 3's, Gooden (when he's playing right) is an O rebonding beast, and can usually nail the 13-15 footer with ease, and Z who to is decent on defense and can tear away rebonds, as well as Anderson Verajo who will take any charge and is good in the paint. The rest...have their moments, at home they generally play far better.
Because I turned off Game two when the lead reached 25 (I was disgusted) I don't know what happened fully (I havent watched ESPN either) but when I flicked back on the Spurs had squandered a 25 point lead that drooped down to about 9, as I've said, when the Cavs start clicking offensively and and defensively that can beat the Spurs.
Thats a mis type I meant 6 the Cavs will take 3 and 5 and the Spurs will close it out in San Antonio in game 6, I've already got 20 on it.
Underrated? The Cavs, even with Lebron James, are at best a mediocre team. They wouldn't have a chance against the Jazz, with Boozer and William running vintage stockton-malone pick n roll. The Cavs best bet would be against the Lakers, and even then I would give it to Kobe over Lebron anyday. The Warriors? The Warriors will run the Cavs out of the building. Baron Davis would have one of his Jordanesque games, since nobody on cleveland can guard him.
There's something wrong with your fanboyism when you have to make statements like "Oh they don't completely suck", followed by justifications. Eric Snow plays defense and no offense, Gibson plays offense and no defense, Gooden doesn't play either. Z is getting skull ****ed by Duncan, and Verajao is losing his flopping contest to Ginobili, who is actually wtfpwning the Cavs.
I'll tell you what happened, because it happened in game 1, and happened in games 1 and 2 of the Utah series. They annihilated the teams they played and by the fourth they were so bored, they started ****ing around, doing stupid shit to see what would work and what would be exciting. They completely shut down in the 4th and when Cleveland got to within 8, they turned it back on. Trust me, the game was a blowout, despite what the score tells you.
Well I had Spurs over Detroit in 7 but I just made a bet for $100, for Spurs in 5.
Um sorry, you don't go 50 - 32 in the regular season and end up a "mediocre" team. No team to reach the Playoffs are mediocre, period.
This is all rather pointless, so I'm ending this particular argument right here, since it'll just circle around with "Cavs'l do this" "No insert team will do that." And seriously the West is not the be all end all of Basketball unless your purposing that the Rockets too would beat the Cavs.
So I'm not allowed to justify why my team doesn't suck? Or maybe you misread it, I was saying that in defense to you saying that they all basically "suck", however with the inclusion of "completely" I can see where the confusion arises.
Hence why I said: "Eric Snow on defense"
Are you serious? Watch the Detroit series, and tell me he can't play D.
He averages 12 points per game and 8 rebonds and yet he can't play either...
So that means he sucks?
Which I said is a problem facing the Cavs, they idiotically triple team Tim Duncan and Tony Parker and leave Ginobili open by himself of a 3.
And can we leave the stupid intrawebz terms out of this.
Had Gibson taken the shot toward the very end of the game instead of Donell Marshall the Cavs could have won that game,
Somehow its very hard for me to believe that Popovich would allow his team to start dicking around...and its very hard for me to believe that the Spurs with so much experience that they have would start dicking around for the hell of it and put a NBA Final's game in jeopardy. Maybe you should give credit where credit is due for Cleveland making the defensive stops that they did and closing the score to within 8. But that would be to hard for you now wouldn't it.
But this is hardly surprising seeing as you go to the University of Texas...Seriously though you'd be a fool to simply negate home court advantage, ESPECIALLY in Cleveland, where they play consistently better at then on the road. Where the supporting cast actually makes shots (save for Donell Marshall who doesn't deserve NEARLY as much PT as he gets) and LeBron play better as well.
After viewing the first 3 games of the Detroit series you still thought they would win?
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Um, please, being in the playoffs doesn't make you a good team. Neither does having a winning record. Mavericks anybody? A team's regular season record isn't indicative of how far they'll go in the playoffs. And yes, the Cavs ARE mediocre, AND are the worst team to everm ake the finals. So your argument is false.
After reading this it is clear that your basketball knowledge is severely lacking. The Rockets would destroy the Cavs genius, that's not even a question. TMAC and McGrady would kill their defense. The only team the CAVS could beat in the Western Conference, in the playoffs, might be the Lakers. They can't do anything with anybody else. And yes, the West IS the end all be all, while the East is considered the JV. I guess the NBA and ESPN analysts are wrong too since they seem to agree with my logic. The Eastern Conference has hit its lowest point since the beginning of the NBA.
You're allowed to justify anything you want, as long as it's logical. Seeing as how it's not even close, what's the point?
Why would I watch that series again? One team quit before the series even started. Those cocky arrogant bastards should have been kicked out of the first round based on their pathetic attitude.
Try doing that in the playoffs against a team that can play defense. Once again, Dirk won the regular season MVP, yet couldn't do shit in the playoffs.
Or Barry, or Horry, or Bowen, or any of a # of people that can shoot 3s. You know what this means? That the Cavs are severely outmatched.
Sure, if the Spurs didn't have enough of the comebacks, if they didn't have enough boredom. If you watched the 4th quarter the Spurs were completely bored, so at least they allowed the Cavs to make it a contest. And yes, ALLOWED.
He didn't allow them to dick around, maybe that's why he was angry during the post game conference, durrrr. And yes, to any basketball fan with common sense, that's EXACTLY what the Spurs did. They did the same thing in game 1, and they did the same thing against Utah in game 1 and 2. Cleveland doesn't deserve credit because they were annihilated.
Poor Naive styles. In the playoffs, against Championship teams, home court hardly matters.
I thought Detroit would shut the **** up and start playing yes. I was mistaken.
I'm not responding to that^ because this isn't a debate and you going on about false arguments is pretty dumb, its commenting on basketball not a damn vs topic.
Anyways, **** those shitty refs, Bruce Bowen fouled the shit out of LeBron on that last play, and he should have got the whistle. And how does a "mediocre" team nearly beat the "Almighty" Spurs, and force it to only a 3 point win? Defensively in the 4th quarter they shut the Spurs down. If only their offense was on point...but the point is the Cavs are NOT a mediocre team and if they are what does that make the Spurs who just barely beat them. Even saying that makes you sound dumb.
Gee, you must have missed the post game conference where Lebron said it was incidental contact and didn't affect his shot. Now I would trust Lebron to be the ultimate authority on...Lebron... And not you or Cavs fans. How does a mediocre team beat the almighty Spurs? Gee, it's called the NBA, it's called upsets. You really don't watch Sports do you? The Warriors beat the Mavs, Utah beat the Rockets, Cavs beat Pistons, etc. Shut the Spurs down? The Spurs shut them down as well, but they know how to play in crunch time. You can make all of these "but if this this and that happened", but it's not part of a debate. If the Pistons weren't cocky douchebags they'd be in the finals.. But they're not. The Cavs ARE a mediocre team and the Spurs HAD a bad game. Get used to facts. Nobody in their right mind would call the Cavs a good team, and you telling me I sound dumb doesn't make it so. In fact you sound dumb because of your irrational fanboyism.
cause this isn't a debate and you going on about false arguments is pretty dumb.
Gee you must not be able to read did I say it affected his shot? No. Way to pay attention, he STILL should have got the whistle, THE POINT.
ITS NOT A DEBATE. Its talking about basketball, jesus everything isn't a damn debate.
Yeah nobody in their right mind excpet for the entire Inside the NBA announce team, the San Antonio Spurs, the Detroit Pistons, millions of other people ect ect ect...
And you sound like a dbag who can't separate commentating from an argument.
THAT game was how the Cavs play (save for their bad offense tonight) last year when the Pistons were an infinitely better team then they were this year the Cavs took them to a 7 game series, you calling the Cavs mediocre is as I said ridiculous.
And thats LeBron taking the high road and not bitching to the media. Notice how he immediately went over to complain and every other analyst and announcer saw the hit. Bowen was TRYING to foul him.
Show me one false argument I am going on please...
You do understand the concept of incidental contact don't you? Because you don't appear to. It's like Derek fisher faking a 3 point shot, having the defender jump in the air, and then jumping into the DEFENDER. He never got that call, so if Lebron calls it incidental contact and there WAS no call, then that's what it was.
Explain to be how it's not a debate while talking about fictional characters with mystical force powers is?
Right...Uhuh
Says the idiot who says arguing about basketball isn't a debate, while arguing about star wars is.
Except the CAVS are mediocre Styles, and having one good game or maybe 2 doesn't change the fact that you're a mediocre team coming out of a piss poor conference.
Yea he immediately went over to the ref but strange thing.. He wasn't bitching, he said something politely from the look of it, then asked a question, then hesitated and walked away. Doesn't seem to me that he was apparently fuming over an apparent non call. Granted it looked like a foul and he would have gotten 2 free throws, maybe 3, it wasn't called.. The Cavs lost because they're an inferior team. And yes I read the Simmons article. Also I forgot that black guy's name who was sitting to the right of Jon Barry during the game. Biggest Lebron fellator ever. The guy shouldn't be commentating on anything because it's always Lebron is God or Lebron is inexperienced. He even guaranteed the Cavs would win game 2. What a dumbass.
Simple Noobaris.. After last year's NBA Finals, it's clear that a sweep isn't in the best interest of David Stern OR the NBA, so what David Stern does is get 2-3 mediocre refs for either game 3 or 4, and give lebron 30 free throws. It didn't happen in game 3 surprisingly, so I'm looking for it in game 4, although all signs point to a sweep.
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