*sigh* dude, read. I said: your going on about me having false arguments, which I said is dumb because this isn't a debate.
I don't think YOU know what incidental contact is because that most certainly WASN'T. It was a blatant foul: Bruce Bowen was trying and did foul him, he attacked him right when he caught the ball to draw the whistle to try and prevent the game tier J.
A video of the play in question look at 00:20 - 00:25 he BLATANTLY fouls him, if you really think that was incidental contact I'm sorry your either blind or retarded.
Wow, DS, use some common sense, those topics are DESIGNED to incite argument and debate its their purpose and format ie: Exar vs Revan, this however is a "prediction" topic to discuss the current Basketball series notice the word discuss, its not: Spurs vs Cavs whos the bestest team!1111!
Yeah I know, right.
Except that they arent and you haven't given me a legitimate reason for them being a mediocre team. They are a good team the Spurs are simply a great team, one of the best teams in the past decades save for the Kobe - Shaq Era Lakers. To call them a mediocre team is just stupid and your only reasoning backing it up is: "Lawlz they suck!". Your opinion compared to actual analyst, commentators and the actual coaches and teams of the NBA is in the extreme minority, hell just ask Flip Saunders.
You must not have seen the event in question, because you completely wrong, he says and I quote:
then watch his face at the 00:30 to the end...oh yeah so polite.
And he would have gotten 3 because its a three pointer and the foul would have been in the act of shooting. Hence why this is even an issue because it could have lead to a possible OT.
Did I doubt this? When did I call them better then the Spurs, the Cavs had NUMEROUS chances to pull ahead toward the end of the 4th quarter but failed, then Varetard tried to play Lebron and missed that disgusting lay up with LeBron wide open. Its the Cavs own inexperience and ineptitude that cost them.
I just wish Dallas didn't lose to Golden State since the Spurs basically got a free ride to the finals.
Explain to me how this isn't a debate? You think team X is good I think team X is shit, therefore it most certainly IS a debate.
I know what incidental contact is, I've been playing ball for quite a while, and I'm going on first hand authority(Lebron), rather than the camera angle. If he says it was incidental contact and didn't affect his shot, why shouldn't I believe him?
You still don't get it? Who cares what I think? LEBRON said it was incidental contact. Who are you going to trust, the camera view or the player who got pushed?
And yet again you still don't get it. You think team X is good, I think team X is shit. Therefore are having a debate to reinforce our points. It's the same damn thing, jesus.
I have given you enough reasons why they are a mediocre team, you're just a fanboy who doesn't accept facts. When the team has one, and only ONE player, with a supporting cast as good as my high school Varsity team, they are MEDIOCRE. When Lebron has to score 48 points, 25 in a row, to win my 2 points, they are MEDIOCRE. When Ginobili has 2 points, parker has 17, and Timmy has 14, and they still lose, it's because they are MEDIOCRE. If they can't contend with anyone from the west's best or even in the middle pack, it's because they are mediocre. And I will argue that the Spurs have a better team than the Shaq Era Lakers. My opinion isn't the minority considering anyone who doesn't verbally fellate Lebron(the majority), considers the Cavs mediocre at best, considers the Cavs the worst team to ever make the finals, and considers this year's Eastern Conference the worst it's ever been.
1. He claims it was incidental contact afterward. So if you want to use what he said in the beginning as your argument, I'll use this.
2. If he DID get the call, he's a 68% free throw shooter.. Good luck
3. The Cavs have only themselves to blame for even letting the Spurs get this far, with the SPurs having a piss poor game.
In this game mostly yes. On the other hand it was the Spurs ability to perform in crunch time that won game 3. The first two games showed just how much better the Western Conference is than the Eastern Conference.
Yea, definitely an illogical Cleveland fan. Let me tell you, Dallas wasn't going to do jack shit with a healthy San Antonio. They barely won game 7 last year when the big 3 were injured. Furthermore, their team was built specifically to beat the Spurs, and nobody else, and Dirk is a huge choker. It would have been an interesting series but the finals was the Spurs and Suns. The Mavs got dominated in every facet of the game.
As I've said which you fail to get: LeBron didn't want to ***** to the media and get blasted for making excuses, EVERYTHING shows it was a foul, ANYONE with eyes says it was a foul, Bruce Bowen rushed him and gave him a tag on the back with both hands. Now unless Bowen has crazy hands that he can't control (he doesn't) he knew what he was doing and Pop in all likelihood told him to do it. Use your damn head.
And did it EVER occur to that maybe just maybe that Detroit is STILL a good team even when their being complete asshats? And maybe just maybe that they still have GREAT offensive shooters in Chauncy, Rip, Rasheed, and other then that their Bench players are good to. And yet the Cavs beat them in 4 games and out played them in EVERY game not just LeBrons one beast moment. And other then that last year when Detroit was far better then they are now the Cavs in their first showing in the Semifinals since how long...managed to push them to a seven game series. And before that they beat Washington with a healthy Gilbert Arenes.
Your reasonings are completely stupid, because they can't beat one of the best teams in recent memory they are somehow mediocre? Thats just retarded, because LeBron who took over and didn't even bother passing the ball beat Detroit they're mediocre? Even still in the next game when they triple teamed Lebron people like Gibson managed to score 31 points, they're somehow mediocer? You call me a fanboy? Your dangling from the Spurs collective nutsacks. You go to Uni of Texas go figure. They're now better then the Shaq-Kobe era Lakers...please dude.
And wanting Dallas to to The Spurs a good series makes me a "illogical Cavs fan" that doesn't even make sense.
Good god, I didn't know you were Lebron's conscience or soul or whatever it is that gives you an authority on what you THINK Lebron was thinking. Bottom line is Lebron HAD a logical complaint and COULD have said that "yea it was a foul" to the media, and there would be no fine. I don't even think you understand how the fines work. However Lebron didn't say anything to that sort and his own coach didn't even back him up. Must be a conspiracy!!!
On paper Detroit should be the best team in the NBA since 04. Unfortunately when they come on the court, they don't PLAY. They settle, then talk shit. It's been going on since the all star break of 06, when they thought they were invincible. But the bottom line is their defense is lacking, their offense is nonexistent, and Sheed doesn't know when to shut up. Detroit hasn't been Detroit since the 05 Finals. And you break that team back, hungry and wanting to repeat, you have a sweep of the Cavs. Not to mention Lebron scored those amazing 48 points on a detroit team that parted like the red sea anytime he drove the lane. Gee, I wonder why that doesn't work against the Spurs? Well let's see, because the Spurs don't TALK shit nor take games off. Lets face it, the Pistons, when not imploding are superior to the Cavs. The Bulls are also better than the Cavs and had the #2 seed until they blew it on the final day of the regular season. And then we have a healthy Miami who is also better than the Cavs. So you're looking at Cleveland going back to #4 next year.
No, they are mediocre because they came from a shit ass division, and a mediocre conference. They are mediocre because they ARE the worst team in the finals AND they have had the EASIEST road to the finals ever. They are mediocre because they played a useless Washington team, and old NJ team, and a cocky, arrogant imploding Pistons team. The sad thing is you're basing your logic off of what, game 5 and game 6 of the Detroit series? IF you ask me the Pistons don't deserve to be in the playoffs with their attitude. Sorry, but just making the NBA finals doesn't constitute as "leet". Especially coming from a pathetic eastern conference. Yes, these Spurs are better than the Kobe Shaq Lakers. They're on their way to their 4th title in 9 years. Notice what happened after the lakers 3 peat? Oh right, the Spurs trashed them the following year, and the year after, after Fisher's .04 chuck, they got dismantled by the Pistons. Just because they had a 3 peat they are superior to the team that plays perfect basketball? Please. That would mean the 50-60s Celtics are GODS because they won 8 s traight titles. At least I'm backing up why the Spurs are a dynasty. You haven't made a single case for Cleveland.
I don't know what the hell that was even supposed to mean. You're an illogical Cavs fan because you are trying to justify why the Spurs even made the finals, when they made it because they played the best, and because the Mavericks couldn't get it done against an undermanned #8 seed, who destroyed them. So the Spurs are the best team every other year for whatever reason, but now that the group is healthy, look for them to repeat next year.
Did I say he would get fined? No. Your putting words in my mouth. EVERYTHING shows it was a foul and I'm basing this off Lebrons previous post game interviews he hardly ever complains (I've never seen him do it) and he almost never gloats. It was a foul, whether it affected his shot is irrelevant, the fact is: He fouled him.
And that addresses the point how, as said even last year when they were a better team in both attitude and ability the Cavs forced them to a 7 game series froma 2-0 deficit. Mediocre...I think not. And your saying this like I'm supposed to get angry or something I WANT the Cavs in the 4th seed so they'd have a far harder road to the finals, I want better games and I want them to be tested further so they can gain more experience and grow as a team, so in about 3 years they can WIN a championship.
THis is it? THis is why they're mediocre, because of things they can't control (division, conference) and because they got a lucky 2nd seed? Thats it? Thats the most retarded Basketball logic I've almost ever heard. You sound bitter as hell, probably cause you lost a bet. I'm basing this off their performance this and last year where they beat a healthy Washington and nearly beat a better Detroit. And the Cavs were a FAR worse defensive team and and this year they are a FAR better O rebounding team.
You putting words in my mouth again, I said I wanted to see a good series with Dallas and San Antonio, thats it. I said after Dallas lost the Spurs basically won the Championship right there. Did I ever doubt the Spurs talent?
You know what's funny? Apparently the ref thought it was incidental contact too! I don't know what to tell you besides all the camera views point to a foul while both Lebron and Bob delaney agree it was incidental.
The Pistons weren't a better team last year. The first half of the year they went ape shit and then started to get comfortable in the second half. So by your logic, because the Warriors beat the Mavs, they are a great team? Hell no. As much as I love them, they are good at best. Individually they are insane and more athletic than anybody else, but they are too wild. The Cavs would rank somewhere between the 6th-8th seed in the Western Conference. That's MEDIOCRE. Not only that, but as long as the West is the powerhouse, the Spurs are healthy, and Lebroom doesn't get any help, they'll never win a title.
They're mediocre because they haven't proven to be anything else. I sound bitter as hell? You're the one crying telling me the Cavs ALMOST beat the Spurs and that they ALMOST beat the Pistons last year because they made the finals, they're somehow a GOOD team. No no, I never lost any bet because I had San Antonio win the title. I'm pretty sure you're losing the bets since the Cavs are down 0-3. A far worse defensive team? I guess you failed to notice that they ARE a defensive team, a damn good one, and that Mike Brown is a defense first coach, like Larry Brown.
Lucky for you, I stumbled upon an article today that mentions Derek Fisher's opinion..
"I still think the Cavaliers can win tomorrow, but in terms of the Spurs and their focus, I don't know if there's been a better team in the past 10 years. The Spurs are the best at once they smell it, they go get it," Fisher said.
Utah guard and NBA Players Association president Derek Fisher, in Cleveland to promote the NBPA's "Feed The Children" program: "I hate to say it, but they're probably surpassing us [Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant's three-peating Lakers of 2000-02], to be honest. We had that great four- or five-year period. But you have to step into the Bulls and the Celtics and those Lakers teams of the '80s [when it comes to teams] that dominated a 10-year period. I can honestly say they're surpassing us in terms of recent dynasties that have been able to sustain that level of excellence over a long period of time. They've become the class of this league, no question about it."
Well gee, one of the players from the decade's apparent best team seems to believe the Spurs are better than HIS CLUB.. This is retarded, grow a brain.
Jun 14th, 2007 04:01 AM
