can you prove these events are cannon? if not then there rather worthless.
man you have a hard on for vadar.
sorry, but know. Vadar cis would cause him to go into melee which he lose and rather fast.
also there nothing to suggest Vadar even attempting to use simply just range attacks would win. Mace has displayed that palp range attacks were not enough. And Vadar is no palp
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No it isn't. So if i put a grenade in a guys mouth and i say its going to blow his head off is speculating?
Of course it is you idiot, it was approved by lucas arts, if it isn't canon why is it even being published in the first place?
Can you prove they are not? Sure its canon, its in the comics and its approved by lucas arts thus receiving canon status
And your hard on for stupidity
sorry, but know. Vadar cis would cause him to go into melee which he lose and rather fast.
Range attacks? I merely stated in an all out fight that vader would be smart not to engage in duel and use the force which is his biggest advangae.
Oh and according to lucas vader is 80% as powerful as sidious.
Now, shut the hell up.
And palpatine struck with lightning, PROVE that mace can block and reflect a telekenetic based force power who does not manifest its self as anything which can be seen through the naked eye.
Who why would vader want to engage mace in a saber duel knowing that mace's vaapad would get him owned? He would be stupid if he did that, and proof he knows about mace vaapad? Lets see, he has been studying in the council for like 10 over years, he would obviously know mace windus combat prowess.
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Has exar ever killed anybody with his amulet? Has sidious ever used his force sever on any one? Has revan ever used his force storm on anybody? Yet these ARE still combat relevant
When did he use it? The medical facility, he used it to kill his officers in tie fighter, the pack of wilddogs who attacked him.
Get off this forum kamhal, your a fu*king embarrasment
He didn't even try this power, yet he killed plenty of people with his force lightning alone
Wasn't Revan stated to have killed all rakatan scouts and his rancor beats with force storm?
Sidious severing other force user from the force? Not really. The others, yeah, sure, why not, since they were proved extremely effective.
Prove me that he was using force crush in the medical facility during that 25 seconds attack. And prove me that it was force crush instead of force choque.
Yeah, surely, I am an embarrasment for you, who loves the hell of vader and can't see anyone saying a thing about him without p*ssing on his pants.
Besides, and after you changed all the point of my post, I ASKED if vader HAD EVER USED force crush since everybody seems to worship his force crush "OMG, VADER WOULD WTFOWNED HIM WITH FORCE CRUSH" every time vader is suppose to fight someone inferior to sidious or yoda in the force, which is pathetic, especially when vader is hardly seen using force powers every time he fights a strong force user.
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And vader crushed his officers in tie fighter
No he wasn't lol look who's sexually fellating his favourite character
He had the capabilities to, so why not. Oh i guess going by your logic, seeing that he never used the fallanasi technique, if he ever faced nihilus, he won't use it simply because he has never shown to use it before despite the fact he was stated th having the technique... Good one kamhal
Lol you always ask for prove when you NEVER PROVE UP, Prove to me it wasn't seeing that the metal walls got CRUSHED, how bout you examine the part where palpatine smiles when vader is angry and look at the background when a dangling piece of debris gets CRUSHED.
Oh and the officer he killed in tie fighter, the officer gets suspended in the air and we see his entire body get crushed by vader, as for the pack of wildogs if he gripped them on his throat, they should be hanging on their necks, not their entire body leveled evenly.
Lol what a pathetic attempt at a failed comeback, Firstly how do i "love" vader when im argueing and backing up my claims with FACTS as opposed to you whom has never once proved anything when you "debate" with me, when i at the LEAST use some logic when it comes to vader.
Why else do you think advent called you an idiot? Why else do you think acstyles asked as i did once that why does no one take you seriously? Why do you think nobody else except me and nebaris bother to reply to you poorly constructed unsupported claims?
Simple, because they think your so pathetic and so weak in building arguements they don't even want to waste their time typing to a guy who claims he is an adult seeing the way he constructs his sentences says pretty much about him.
Prove to me it was not a crush, seeing that we saw droids getting crushed and the walls ending up that way,
Prove to me it was something else, prove to me it was a force scream seeing that we have never seen the effects of a force scream before,
Prove to me he choked that officer in tie fighter seeing his body gets lifted and then crushed.
kamhal, its time to prove up seeing that you NEVER prove anything save for that one time in one entire year where you posted a quote about sidious
Your horrible logic goes "Oh guy A does Feat X but Guy B does not, so it means guy b gets owned by guy a"
Yea then i guess vaders apprentice takes a shit on mace windu seeing that he pulled a star destroyer crashing towards him.
OF COURSE HE HAS, PLAY THE GAME TIE FIGHTER, PROVE IT WAS A CHOKE AND NOT A FORCE CRUSH SEEING THAT EVEN WOOKIEPEDIA, WHICH YOUR SO FOND OF USING SAID HE USED FORCE CRUSH.
Lol and i can argue he simply chose to engage them in a pure saber duel seeing that when a sith lord defeats his opponents through saber combat, it boosts their ego and it was vaders PREFERENCE to not use the force against some of his opponents. OH WAIT how i forgot that he used the force against the dark lady, against roan shryne and others.
Really kamhal all iv seen you do is DOWNPLAY vader
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1) It was a question
2) Hmm, haven't the Rakatans describing Revan "calling lightning from the sky to slaughter us" or somehting like that?
Talks the person who is always saying that since revan is an unknown in lightsaber ability, he loses for default
What do you want me to prove? The same you prove? The same you prove claiming that the droids are built from the same material as the Center, or maybe the fact you are ignoring that vader need as much as 25 seconds to do that damage when mace did an INSTANT force crush on grievous? If mace had spent 25 seconds crushing grievous he would have been reduced to dust...
You ask me for prove, yet you are the one who are using proofless args and the one who is asking ME to prove YOUR args. And look at you, using vader apprentice as arg when you don't know either the way he pull down the star destroyer or what he had done. Do you see how pathetic you are?
Besides, who said I care sh*t about what other people say or think about me, ever?
I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE YOU NOTHING SINCE IT'S YOU WHO ARE *****NG USING THIS SH*TTY GAME AS EVIDENCE, CAPICHE?
And then I can arg that all you are saying is crap since you have no proofs of that and then I can say that vader fights strong force users with his lightsaber because he can't beat them with the force, and I can arg that, for example, if he could use the force to beat Maul then he would let himself being that badly beaten and only winning do to a fluck.
Against the DARK WOMAN? Then why the f*ck he had to use the force to bring down a tree, after cutting it with the lightsaber, in order to kill her? Why not just force crush her? Yes, haven't she disarmed him? I think that would be a good moment to kill her don't you think? And since when the Dark Woman is one of the very best jedis of his time?
And I downplay vader? Ok, then what you call GL saying that after mustafar that Vader should be viewed as a tragic/pathetic figure. He was portrayed as no more than another of the Emperor's flukies fighting it out on the Deathstar for the Emperor's approval and just trying to one up each other. GL specifically states that Vader went from being the number 2 guy in the Empire to just another high level flunky. What do you call this then?
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Oh really? Last i recall, a quote provided from s_w_legend, a good source of info for quotes regarding kotor characters stated that the rakatans were defeated move after move indicating that revan never killed them in one move
When did i ever say revan "loses by default"? I simply stated that it is unknown weather how great is revan with the lightsaber because i ACKNOWLEDGED the FACT that he is a lightsaber prodigy.
Quote me mother ****er, that i said revan would lose by default, oh you can't? Right, its because your a liar.
Everything you claimed, prove that vader used force scream.
Actually i would concede that seeing that vader merely destroyed the droids with his emotions . Now, what happens if he used a technique? Oh right it was stated that it was difficult to destroy droids with a certain technique or wave of a hand, yet you should look at this quote
Luke also destroyed a group of hot-wired battle droids just by waving his hand, subtly displacing their master servos and causing the self-destruction of the group of droids. This Force power was first manifested by Jedi Master Arca Jeth during the Great Droid Revolution. Even then, with proper instruction, it was a difficult power to master. However, this power apparently came naturally to Luke.
^ This alone indicates it is difficult to master a technique that can destroy droids easily, yet we see vader effortlessly destroying those droids with his EMOTIONS ALONE.
How i forget he busted up the walls made of duralium easily too.
Lol you are by far the most idiotic person iv argued with, in a sense that you claim your an intellect with high IQ but the way you interpret and argue things says other wise.
Or maybe the fact you are ignoring that vader was using his emotions and the very fact that he has yet to receive any dark side training from sidious nor the time to grow stronger in the force in his potential which has been limited.
Lol so because ROTS vader, whom has been severely weakened, has no dark side training nor experience nor tutelage from emperor palpatine, it means that his OT incarnation, whom is clearly superior to his ROTS mechanical state will still be as weak.
Because you never prove anything
Proofless? When i mentioned vader used force crush, i stated it was backed up by wookiepedia which your overly fond of using, i also used the tie fighter cut scenes to prove this which are canon, excuse me but i DARE you to say it again that i never prove anything?
How bout the fact that i proved to you the medical facility was made up of duralium? It doesn't matter weather the droids were made of the same material or not, simply because vader destroyed the walls with his emotions alone, and would have done far greater damage had he used a technique with his emotions to fuel his attacks.
Darth Vader, who would not hesitate to use Force Crush and similar techniques on Imperial personnel that he deemed incompetent, was capable of crushing small vehicles on the battlefield., And yes this is from wikipedia
Oh wait somebody actually agrees with me that vaders force powers are indeed strong, and it is coming from one of and prehaps the best debator in the SWV
^ Notice you asked me to prove to you something and i did it regardless? It may not have been the droids but i proved to you something that he destroyed made of duralium effortlessly with just his emotions alone, notice that now i conceded he used force crush in that room?
Right and imagine what would happen if he actually used a technqiue along with his emotions which fuel his attacks, and before you claim im making up bullshit, its a fact, just ask lightsnake and gideon, they have the sources as to where it states emotions can feed your power.
Last i recall its stated in ROTS where it stated anakins emotion, fear fed his anger and made him stronger
As to where force crush originated, wiki states where it first appeared
The video clearly showed that he used the force to sending it crash towards him. Now who's pathetic? Seeing that you were unable to comprehend what a video has depicted.
Because your an embarrassment and you don't seem to realise that, oh wait then you should be some young petty kid then.
Cut scenes are canon friend, as it is applied to KOTOR or any other game. And yes, you DO have to prove up.
I can claim that the sun orbits the earth, but nobody would take it unless i prove it.
I do actually, though it derives from logic. I guess you never heard of the words "personal preference".
Lol, and we clearly saw vader wanting to engage him in a duel because before the battle started he could have at the least tried a force attack.
Lol when did revan ever use a force storm in a 1 v 1 battle situation against force users? Yet we argue he would, When did exar ever use his amulet against a force user? Yet we still argue, Hell when did luke ever used emerald lightning against a force user? He could have tooled jacen solo with that power had he wanted to use it, just because vader or anybody else doesn't use their force attacks in some situations it does not mean they won't use it at all.
Because he chose to? Because he chose to engage her in a pure saber duel from the start? Because it was not necessary to use his force attacks until later on when he underestimated the dark lady?
Because he saw an opportunity to bring down a large object onto her and when vader is serious about killing his opponents, he would do so by any means, it does not always have to be a force crush unless of course he is fighting in an area where it wouldn't be an advantage to him.
Uh ok? Notice the fact that she was at arms length and it was much easier to grab her arms and throw her back considering vaders immense physical strength?
Oh right i think there were several good moments for luke to use emerald lightning onto caedus but because he doesn't, it means he does not have the technique or he will never use it in a 1 v 1 fight.
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Wasn't she able to pass through walls with the force? And tell me when did another force user exhibit this ability?
Again because your overly fond of using wookiepedia, how about this
Kuro was a powerful Jedi and was known to possess many Force powers uncommon among the Jedi, such as the ability to control plant matter, and bend light around her to render herself invisible. She even appeared able to pass through solid objects
The point is the opponents vader attacked does not have to be "the very best" simply because even if the very best or strongest does not put up a resistance or a defence, he/she is going to get hurt and maybe even killed either way if vader wishes that his attacks are to a point lethel
Quote please, and that is not downplaying vader unlike you who makes vader look like a weak ass shitty sith lord, even he himself stated vader is 80% of the most powerful sith lord in history indicating that vader is indeed a powerful and proficient force user.
Your downplaying vaders powers, while GL is not.
Consider yourself owned
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Prove up or shut up seeing you have yet to do either. Prove he isn't as powerful as mace seeing that he studied under the most powerful sith lord for 20 years.
The dirt cliff shook, buckled, and collapsed. With a subterranean roar that buried even the thunder of the eruption and the clamor of the steamcrawler's laboring engine, hundreds of tons of dirt and rock poured into the river of lava...Nearly all his concentration stayed submerged in the Force, spread throughout the slide, using a wide-focus Force grip to stabilize the rubble while he scrambled down to the steamcrawler's roof.
It's said in the novel, Shatterpoint.
Essentially, it means that Mace has displayed far more power than your boyfriend.
The Rakatan were talking about the last time Revan was there, when he showed up with Malak as the dark lord, not the second time when he showed up as a jedi knight...
You said vader wins against revan in lightsaber duel because he is an unknown so don't try to change the subject. Mother f*cker? You are such a a f*cking low level person. And would I want to f*ck you are fat ugly mom?
Byyour logic Mace Windu should be a force god seeing how many super battle droids he destoyed with the force in the battle of dantooine and in the battle of coruscant...
I am idiotic? Do you have a mirror at home? ... And he was using his emotions, so what, what the f*ck this proves? Wasn't he using his emotions, his hate, like every other sith, to fuel and use the force?
And yes, I have a high QI, or at least acknowledging the pathetically easy IQ tests in the net, but I don't see the point of this subject in this discussion.
Gahlaktus, let me ask you one thing, do you NEED other people's aproval in order to exposu your thoughts and ideas? Because you seem to lack your fundations by always comparing people with each other, judgind who are the "good" or "bad" debaters, What about you try to make the things for yourself? Besides, in case you can't read, "Darth Vader, who would not hesitate to use Force Crush and similar techniques on Imperial personnel that he deemed incompetent, was capable of crushing small vehicles on the battlefield"
similar techniques=force grip or force crush
capable of crushing small vehicles on the battlefield=gameplay
So the question still remains, when did Vader ever force crushed a strong force user?
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80%? So what? Guess what, someone making 100 meters in 12,5 seconds (by being 80% as fast as someone who makes 100 meters in 10 seconds) is hardly an olimpic athlet. Surem he is fast, but he is one of the best? So, this 80% are quite subjective you know that?
Anyway, after all this waste of my time with this ridiculous long posts, you failed to prove that vader could use the force in any possible and agressive way in order to beat windu, and unless you can arg that vader would beat windu with the lightsaber, whitch i think not even you would do that, vader goes down.
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Wow kamhal you get your ass handed, you get your rebutalls torn to pieces and you come back for more.
Which is what the rakatans was referring to about "move after move" idiot.
Lol you mean this quote below?
^ If you actually KNOW how to comprehend basic sentences i said theres enough EVIDENCE to put vader above revan in dueling, i NEVER said revan loses because he is an unknown, hell i DO know revans a saber prodigy and an expert BUT THE REAL question is HOW good was he?
You see what i mean? Your a fu(king idiot NOBODY takes seriously in KMC, You get DEFEATED in EVERY debate you ever took in, EVERYTIME you argue your arguements get torn to pieces and you come back to humuliate yourself EVEN MORE.
Kamhal, Doesn't it suck you spend your ENTIRE life on a forum and can't win a single arguement?
Really, do we even know revans lightsaber form? Do we even know how good the kotor saber duelers are?
Hence i made that assumption, oh right and your the idiot who said revan beats vader without any claims or evidence. Hell your so damm stupid you couldn't even comprehend a sentance
I was merely pointing out the fact vader destroyed droids and a medical room by merely getting angry, windu used the force to destroy droids, not his emotions alone.
Again if you actually know how to comprehend basic english sentences, i was merely pointing the fact that vader would have destroyed droids easily if he used a technique rather than his anger alone.
I don't need a mirror to tell me how idiotic you are LOL seeing that the way you type pretty much says otherwise. And what the "fu(k does using his emotions prove"? That he merely attacked in a uncontrolled rage where he could have done greater damage had he used a technique.
Oh right you ignore the fact that he was weakened and the fact he has yet to grow stronger in the force nor receive any dark side training, yet he accomplished a simple feat by breaking a medical room.
Lol you have a high IQ? then why do you look so stupid when you type on the internet? Why does everybody regard you a joke of KMC?
LOL i think you have a negative IQ
I don't, they didn't approve anything, they merely agreed with me simply because YOUR WRONG.
I don't "judge". I just pointed out the fact your a shitty debator.
In case you can't read or comprehend, ill highlight in in bold for a child like you
"Darth Vader, who would not hesitate to use Force Crush and similar techniques on Imperial personnel that he deemed incompetent, was capable of crushing small vehicles on the battlefield.
^ Notice the word "and"? And why do you need to tell me to really read up on the english language seeing you can't
1)Spell properly
2)Comprehend basic texts
3)Horrible grammer
4) poorly constructed sentences
5)Pathetic arguements
You forgot the word "and". Force crush AND similar techniques, My god you need to learn how to read.
And it said he was CAPABLE of crushing tanks on the battlefield because the technique is POWERFUL enough, just because he has not shown it in a fight doesn't mean its not a useful technique
Ill ask you a better question, when did your precious revan ever use his "force storm" against a powerful user? When did exar kun ever use his amulets on a force user? Yet we still argue it would be used in a battle scenario.
Accept it son and move on with life.
So your implying vader is not powerful at all? Wow your even more stupid that i thought, you seem pretty hopeless now.
And GL was regarding vaders strength and power in the force.
Vader goes down in a saber fight yes, but a force fight? Where vader is capable of using the terrain to his advantage? Where at the same time he can inflict attacks via the dark side of the force? Its up for debate
Ok, so i guess vaders secret apprentice takes a shit on windu seeing he pulled a star destroyer towards him.
And the fact that vader choked xizor millions of lightyears away in the bounty hunter wars so i guess because mace didn't perform that feat i guess he gets owned.
That teaser isn't officially canon until it's confirmed to take place in the Video game Canon, meaning this point means nothing.
Using the force from such distances isn't anything special. Plo Koon contacts the Jedi from lightyears away telepathically, during the Stark Hyperspace Wars, and he's certainly never been renowned for his ability like Mace has. TK, on the other hand, is hardly ever displayed to the level shown by Mace, even from powerful Jedi Masters like Yoda, who even struggles with lifting up a relatively small and light pillar, in AotC.
Fact of the matter is, Mace has displayed far more power than Vader, and what's even more, he can draw off of his darkside energies using Vaapad, and his extremely useful Shatterpoint gift would definitely prove to be advantageous, given it could tell him things such as the most vulnerable part of Vader's suit to attack, for example.
Given evidence on hand, Mace is far more powerful than Vader with the force, and nothing suggests that Vader would even put up a fight.
^ Notice i took the liberty of highlighting it for you? You my friend, contradict yourself on a daily basis
I guess going by what you just said, mace windu > yoda in the force simply because yoda had not accomplished that feat.
Again prove to me that the teaser trailer isn't canon, with what you just said i might as well assume the teaser for ROTS is non canon at the time it came out simply because it has yet to be "confirmed"
Oh right how i forgot that yoda just finished his duel with dooku and could have gotten tired
Ill get to the rest later
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These odd examples you bring up truly astonish me.
Anyways, you're being dense; teaser trailers or clips alone are not canon, until we know for sure that what we see from them will be in the final product, simply because they're released before production has truly finished. Trailers for movies, for example, are constantly shown with material that doesn't appear in the movie. Hell, a trailer for the Movie, Cruel Intentions 2 depicted a plot that wasn't even present in the movie. Fact of the matter is, it's not canon. Deal with it.
Which, as a feat, is a million times better than what Vader does.
1. Vodo, as a force sensitive, has a defence to force attacks.
2. He did it as a "powerless" spirit.
If you could actually analyse circumstances around such feats, you might occasionally hold a logical opinion.
Really quite untrue, and unnecessary.
No, I really don't, and if you could properly comprehend my arguments, you wouldn't draw such silly conclusions. Using the force over great distances alone isn't that great a feat. Doing it as a powerless spirit offensively against a Jedi Master is.
Again, "friend," you need to work on your ability to comprehend basic points. If you do, you might one day actually be able to draw proper conclusions.
I was simply substantiating how even basic TK can prove difficult for Jedi as powerful as Yoda. Yoda was fatigued and such, meaning it wasn't even near his limit, but if it were totally beneath him, the fatigue wouldn't have mattered.
Mace is obviously not more powerful than Yoda with the force, as Yoda is confirmed as being the most powerful jedi of his time. But he's stated as being close, on numerous occasions, and his displayed TK ability demonstrates greater force ability than anything Vader has ever done by a huge margin. Add in Vaapad and Shatterpoint, as well as the fact that Mace has no issue with using offensive powers against his foes, and Vader would get schooled in a force battle between the two.
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I guess concept art says your wrong, hell and everything that appeared in the trailer appeared in the movie.
Lol and you just said attacking another person across the galaxy isnt anything impressive, you contradict yourself on a daily basis
Did he put up a defence? How i forget a superior force user can break through a defence an inferior force user puts up. Or that wouldn't matter at all if you don't put one up in the first place.
He only claimed he was powerless.
Right and you yourself just stated that it was not an impressive feat, and now your saying it is when it comes to a character you sexually fellate.
Just like how you ramble "wookie is fallible! but its not when it comes to bane!"
Don't try to cover up your identity nebaris, those two WERE your previous socks, and they were necessary to show you contradict yourself.
How do i comprehend something which does not make sense better yet one who has yet to win a single arguement and one who blatantly lies?
Firstly, prove that he was "powerless".
Oh right its because he said so, coming from a fallible third part character.
lol says the one who has yet to do so, says the one who once said "freedon nadd is the chosen one". Says the one who argues against canon sources and tries to disprove them.
And yoda lifted a mountain with the force in the clone wars.
Really, and what is mace going to use as offensive powers? Force crush? Oh right how i forget that it too can be defended against by somebody 80% as powerful as sidious and vice versa, so its really up for debate, you make it sounds as if vader would let mace kill him so easily
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