Hi fellows! I was a longer time not present. I missed it!
Looks like I was right about [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Mace defeating Palps in Lightsaber combat. One of you told me it´s not possible cause Ani is the Chosen One and only the Chosen One can defeat Palps. You right so far that Mace did win the lightsaber fight but he didn´t defeated him at all. So both is possible. By now there´s almost no story secret left so please gimme some thougts about that duel and how it ends. I´m with Star Wars for over 20 years now I´m really interested in! Four weeks and six days left...
EDIT: Added Spoiler Tags
Last edited by LanceWindu on Apr 15th, 2005 at 09:27 PM
Oh, like I see I have been edited! I thought after the Revenge of the Sith novel release and the comic release the story would be popular enough to discuss it. My fault!
hummm, I still say that palps let him win cause he wanted anakin to choose, and he prolly knew this was a good time to finally get anakin to turn...but i wont know for sure till i see the movie...
There are still people here that are spoiler free. There is a rule on these forums about spoiler tags or at least putting the word Spoilers in your Thread Subject.
Are you disagreeing with my decision to add spoiler tags to your post?
I wasn´t thinking of it as spoiler. Just started to write! And then just noticed!
Of cause you´re right! Because of no warning I got the last months more spoilert then I wanted to be...
Keep going that way!
I agree Banshee. The way it is described in the novel I'd say Palps IS only playing with Mace and Anakin. Mace senses that Sidious doesn't fear him and absolutly trusts in Anakin's turn. He's so sure Anakin will turn - all that is needed is his little show ("don't let him kill me...please ....blabla"). The problem that many people seem to have is Lucas' (or was is someone else?) comment that first Palps sets up Mace, what doesn't work quite,(think it's the force lightning) and then Mace sets up Palps which doesn't work, too (trying to push him out of the window/off the ledge). Then Palps plays the weaker part to let Anakin decide to kill Mace and join the Sith (we should he kill Mace???? The scene is perfect to show anakin that the Jedi are not so good afterall like he told him before. Of course it's all nicely set up.) That's why I think it's going to be the most powerful scene in the movie. Not only for the back and forth of the lightsaberduel but for Lucas's great work of drama here.
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Hm I wanted to ask this question anyway: It is said that Mace actually slices Palps' Saber in half (at least in the book). How does Palps get a new saber to fight Yoda??? I'm just a bit confused here. Once someone wrote that Mace kicks the saber out of Palps' hand. That would make more sense to me.
Does anyone understand that Sidious knows that Anakin is coming and is playing games with Mace in order to turn Anakin to the Dark-Side?
EDIT: Misread Banshee and Tecnodiderma...
But yes, I think Mace kicks it away. A Behind the Scenes photograph shows Mace holding Palpatine at saber-point with his own lightsaber as well, alongside Mace's blade.
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Yoda focused his learning especially on wisdom and Mace on his fighting technics. The Jedi have the same training but like in reality you can specialise yourself on one part of you "work". Mace even created a new fighting technique, the "Vapaad". He´s the only living master in it and you have to go very close to the dark side to use the fully potential of Vapaad. Mace likes fighting but he is strong enough not to be controlled by it. One Master who Mace trained in Vapaad was Sora Bulq from EP II and fell after Geonosis to the dark side. Not because he used Vapaad but that shows how strong Mace really is. And in his fight vs Palps he let himself fall deeply into Vapaad and his body and reaction take control. It costs him also a lot of strenght. He IS def. the best swordfighter living.
Maybe in the Force that´s right. But he would have lost the lightsaber fight. He could only move against Mace in the because Mace lost his lightsaber. So Palps could use Force Lightning again. Mace had no protection left. And he wanted Anakin to fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One and destroy the Sith. At this point Palps stopped his attacks pretended to be weak and helpless. And both started to try to pull Ani on one of their sides. You are right that Palps acted more helpless and weaker than he truly was but nevertheless he wasn´t strong enough to beat Mace. I´m looking so forward to finally see this scene. I think we´re coming to the same point of view Lord Banshee. Actually I think the scene content both opinions, yours and mine!
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[SPOILER - highlight to read]: No, I still think all this 'Sidious was playing with Mace' stuff is crap. It also dramatically detracts from Anakin's choice.
The whole point is that Mace COULD have done it- THAT is the drama of the scene.
There is this 'Infallible Sidious love' virus which seems to be infecting fans now, which seems to stem from a lack of imagination. People should have some perspective. Sidious is not so powerful that no-one could challenge him. Windu had a shot.
(that is also him not going out like a punk)
It is VITAL that Anakin makes Sidious' victory possible, else he has become simply a spectator to events, which is not what he is- his character is a vital part of the 'Empire Rising' plot. This is the ONE scene in which this can happen. If Sidious could have beaten Mace anyway, Anakin's intervention is irrelevant to the wider issue. Therefore, for the plot to work, it has to be that Mace was going to kill Sidious, BUT Anakin turns and therefore starts the chain of events that finishes the Jedi and brings in the Empire.
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Apr 15th, 2005 07:05 PM
I thought after the Revenge of the Sith novel release and the comic release the story would be popular enough to discuss it. My fault! 
