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Who would win, Exar Kun or Freedon Nadd
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Freedon Nadd vs Exar Kun
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Lord Darkstar
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Freedon Nadd vs Exar Kun

Well I think this should be a good match. Both amazing ancient sith lords. Highly feared and respected, who would win?


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YEAH ROXORS haha exar is used to much in these threads


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I've heard from one place that Sidious is the strongest Sith every and in another spurce Exar Kun is. But none have said Freedon Nadd. I mostly know Exar from the New Essential Guide to Characters. Didn't it take a dozen of Luke's best student's to defeat Exar? And what did Freedon Nadd do that was so awesome?

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Nadd, I mean conquring a planet all by yourself and only using a short lightsaber and a blaster takes a lot of skill.


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Lord Darkstar
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Well for those of you who do not know, here is some info on Freedon:

Freedon Nadd started his career as a Jedi student at the Jedi Temple on Ossus approxematly 4,400 years before ANH. While being very strong with the force he failed his trials to become a Jedi Knight. Enraged with the decission of the Council, Freedon Nadd struck down the Jedi Master Matta Tremayne.

Now he started his way on the dark side path studying ancient Sith secrets but because he knew that there can only be one Dark Lord of the Sith at any time (and he thought there was a Dark Lord still alive somewhere) he thought that he could never become more than a Sith Acolyte - something that enraged him even more.

Led by the force Nadd moved to Yavin 4 where he ran across Naga Sadow who had entered suspended animation there after the events of the Great Hyperspace War and sought to complete his training under the Sith Lord. Before he finished his training he thought himself powerful enough to defeat Sadow and claim the title as a Dark Lord for himself - it is believed that he killed Sadow but that is not confirmed yet.

He travelled to Korriban where he gathered many ancient Sith artifacts and from Korriban he moved to Onderon - at this time one of the richest planets in known space - to establish his own Sith Empire.

Armed only with a short lightsaber and a blaster pistol (and his force powers) he conquered the entire planet on his own and nearly destroyed the entire population of Beast Riders using Sith magic only. He ruled over the planet until the Jedi send an army of force users to destroy him but Nadd did kill many Jedi (shooting them with his blaster) before he was defeated but he was able to preserve his spirit in a Sith amulet he found on Korriban and so his spirit still influenced the rulers of Onderon. That was the reason Sith magic was very common among the people of Iziz.

400 years later the descendants of Freedon Nadd (Queen Amanoa and King Ommin) created serveral revolts to finally exterminate the Beast Riders. The first revolt under Queen Amanoa was stopped by a Jedi strike team supported by Master Arca Jeth who used battle meditation to give the Beast Riders a chance to defeat the troops of Iziz, Onderons capital city. Shortly after that another revolt by King Ommin was started who kept Arca Jeth as a prisoner. That revolt was called the "Freedon Nadd uprising" and it lasted until Ulic Quel-Droma cut down King Ommins exo-sceleton. The king was still alive when Freedon Nadd's spirit reappeared and ended the life of his descendant.

After this Exar Kun discovered the amulet Nadd has preserved his spirit in and Nadd started to manipulate Kun, pulling him to the dark side. He led Kun to Korriban and Yavin 4 where Kun discovered more Sith artifacts which finally made him more powerful than Nadd's spirit could control and so Kun - while taking control of the Massasi on Yavin 4 - finally exterminated Nadd's spirit.

For all we know Nadd is easily the most combative Sith Lord ever - at least the one with the most raw combat skills and fighting abilities considering the fact that he killed a decent amount of Jedi with his blaster (!), conquered a planet on his own and was able to waste entire armies with his force knowledge / Sith magic.


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And here is some info on Exar:

Exar was an exceptional duelling master; he was a master of form two, the duelling form.
He also was able to freeze the entire (which had jedi that were in the building) with one spell and then rescue his apprentice and kill an extremely powerful jedi master and nobody could do a thing about it. This jedi master was also very similar to Yoda and been training for 600 years, also remember that the jedi master was training during the height or war in the republic so he knew battle better than Yoda did.
The jedi order also sent thousands of jedi to kill Exar. He was able to repel all of them long enough to preserve his spirit for thousands of years.

And Exar did study alot, Vodo-Baas says that Exar is the most powerful student he has ever trained and the most powerful force user of that time, and Vodo was similar to Yoda, he trained lots of jedi over a long period of time, and if Exar was the best, that means something.

Exar also studied alot, he was fascinated by the sith teachings in Vodo's holocron. Exar also learned under the ancient sith, like Freedon Nadd and Marka Ragnos, he would still be very smart. It is also worth noting that the ancient sith said that Exar would be the one to bring about the golden age of the sith and said that he was the Dark Lord of the Sith, over Ulic-Qel Droma.

Exar Kun was also able to destroy the entire massassani race, quite a feat. He drained their life force and used it to prolong his life.

His apprentice, Ulic, was a powerful jedi and dueller in his own right, but Exar was his unquestioned master and the ancient sith said that Kun would be the dark lord, not Ulic, this means that Kun is stronger than Ulic was.

He was also able to hide as a sith in the middle of the jedi stronghold (Ossus) and recruit jedi to become sith, without the jedi even knowing what he was doing, that's got to take some pretty impreesive power. He decived the best jedi in the order, took sith stuff and recruited new allies from the midst of the jedi ranks, lied to the jedi masters, and they couldn't even tell it was going on! Also, this planet (and its sun) were later blown up by Kun so anybody after him would have no knowledge of those things that Exar knew.

Also, he invented his own lightsaber, Exar was the person who invented the double blade lightsaber. He also designed his own unique style of duelling, something that he never tought to anyone and was lost after his defeat. So nobody other than him and Ulic had any idea what to expect from him (everyone else he faced ended up dead)

He is also an amazing dueller, after he decided to try against Vodo (a lightsaber master), Vodo died in around 10 seconds, before that Kun was just toying with him. Toying with him! In the middle of the senate chamber on the same planet as the jedi temple, he could still toy with one of the best duellers in the jedi order and win hands down.

Kun also learned loads of stuff from Ossus, which was later destroyed by him so anyone after him couldn't have learned anything from it, he also used sith holocrons and had the private notes of Naga Sadow, another sith who could blow up a sun. Naga was also a dark lord of the sith from 1000 years before Exar and was Marka Ragnos apprentice and had an amazing grasp of the dark side, Exar learned it all.
Kun was able to walk into the heart of the republic senate, freeze them all, kill their leader and a jedi master, and walk out, nobody could do a thing. This is in the heart of the jedi order! He was also able to kill a beast which is probably very similar to a terentek, or better, with very few problems. Exar was also able to walk into another jedi stronghold (Ossus), kill more jedi, steal the artifacts, and walk out again, unharmed. He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.

Think about how he died, he was faced against 10 000 jedi, and the republic fleet. Under those circumstances, anyone would have died. Exar died sure, but he was able to hold the entire fleet off with the force until he was able to figure out a plan to keep himself alive. Exar was able to kill off an entire race, numbering thousands, to keep himself alive, sure he was killed 4000 years later, but it still took 14 jedi, 12 padawans, Luke and Kuns old master to kill him. Think about it, 2 lightsabers, 12 padawans/knights, 2 jedi masters (including one of the most powerful jedi ever; Luke and the old version of Yoda, Vodo-Baas, he trained lots of jedi, for some reason I think of him like an old Yoda), to kill off Kun's 4000 year old ionized air particles! He must have been near godlike when he was alive.

When Kun walked, the ground shook underneath him from the shear power of the dark side emanating from his body.

Exar did invent his own style of lightsaber combat, the double blade, also, his double blade was different than any other double blade. He was able to move it faster and aim more than with other double blades. Also, since few people had never seen a double bladed sabre, it would throw them off. He can move his lightsaber so quickly that almost anyone he faced would be sliced before he knew what was going on.

Exar wore armor with a cortosis weave in it, allowing him to recieve hits from a lightsaber without doing him damage.

He was also a powerful sith alchemist and created several beasts.


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Kunicious.

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Naddicious. . . lol.

I don't know. I've been wondering about this recently myself. But my respect for Nadd has grown greatly recently. Taking over a planet with a blaster and a short lightsaber is beyond most, to say the least. I'm leaning slightly towards him, but by a small margin.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Darkstar

He was also able to destroy Freedon Nadd with no problems.


assuming that this is correct it shouldn't be a competition. how/when did he fight him? i'm curious.

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Originally posted by jollyjim311
assuming that this is correct it shouldn't be a competition. how/when did he fight him? i'm curious.


He meant when Kun fought Nadd's spirit.

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he destroyed Nadd's spirit, not his physical form.


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I'm leaning more towards Nadd. While Kun was amazing, Nadd was a step above even him. Nadd was able to conquer a planet and no one did jack about it.

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You are learning towards Nadd because he was able to conquer a planet and no one did jack about it? Not good enough, another reason perhaps?

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Excuse me? Did I ask you to comment on my decision? No, I didn't. If I had, I'm sure I would have given you a deadline and had a grading scale ready. Please. Stfu. Didn't ask for your input.

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Lol. I agree with Janus. It can be gone into with greater detail, but seeing as how everyone seems well-versed enough *end sarcasm*, I don't think that will be necessary.

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Quite the History Channel lesson. That will probably affect me more than watching that one on Napoleon...


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Excuse me? Did I ask you to comment on my decision? No, I didn't. If I had, I'm sure I would have given you a deadline and had a grading scale ready. Please. Stfu. Didn't ask for your input.


Whoa, chill dude. I didn't cuss at you in the first place, if I did then you could start getting pissed. Settle down.

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I think Nadd will take Exar.

While Exar was really amazing, Nadd was stronger in my oppinion. Since Lord Darkstar did quote my own words on Nadd everything I had to say was said.


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Nadd conquered a planet, but Exar ripped a star appart. I admit, my Nadd knowledge is very small, but what has he done. I only know that he conquered a planet and got killed by Exar as a spirit.


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He also possibly killed Naga Sadow, which is freaking amazing. And one of the reasons I think Nadd will win this. He just seems to be a bit above Exar.


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