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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, Jeph writing has been compare to Liefeld's artwork (that bad) but the man somehow makes the money.

Qty Rank Retail Rank Index Description Price Ven

1 1 110.74 ULTIMATUM #1 (Of 5)* $3.99 MAR
2 2 100.00 BATMAN #681 RIP* $3.99 DC
3 6 88.00 HULK #8* $2.99 MAR
4 7 86.19 WOLVERINE #69 $2.99 MAR
5 9 75.40 UNCANNY X-MEN #504 MD $2.99 MAR


As you can see his books took first and third place....Sooooo...how do ya explain this?

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Originally posted by Raoul
the fact that uncanny x-men is in the top five lessens my faith in the comic buying public...

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, Jeph writing has been compare to Liefeld's artwork (that bad) but the man somehow makes the money.

Qty Rank Retail Rank Index Description Price Ven

1 1 110.74 ULTIMATUM #1 (Of 5)* $3.99 MAR
2 2 100.00 BATMAN #681 RIP* $3.99 DC
3 6 88.00 HULK #8* $2.99 MAR
4 7 86.19 WOLVERINE #69 $2.99 MAR
5 9 75.40 UNCANNY X-MEN #504 MD $2.99 MAR


As you can see his books took first and third place....Sooooo...how do ya explain this?

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Originally posted by Raoul
the fact that uncanny x-men is in the top five lessens my faith in the comic buying public...

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Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
People like crap...

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I can let X-men slide...because it is a popular title....but Loeb's books?





Am I missing something here? Has he really become that GOOD of a writer?



I'm CONFUZZLED!

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, Jeph writing has been compare to Liefeld's artwork (that bad) but the man somehow makes the money.

Qty Rank Retail Rank Index Description Price Ven

1 1 110.74 ULTIMATUM #1 (Of 5)* $3.99 MAR
2 2 100.00 BATMAN #681 RIP* $3.99 DC
3 6 88.00 HULK #8* $2.99 MAR
4 7 86.19 WOLVERINE #69 $2.99 MAR
5 9 75.40 UNCANNY X-MEN #504 MD $2.99 MAR


As you can see his books took first and third place....Sooooo...how do ya explain this?

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The Red Hulk is essentially Loeb doing what he did when he wrote Supergirl. It's let's say 80% likely he'll have the Red Hulk wipe his butt with the entire Marvel U, then the Green Hulk will come along and beat him on sheer power despite previously having seemed weaker. This will demonstrate it is the Green Hulk who is more powerful than the entire Marvel universe, ignoring anything a lot of characters might have previously shown themselves to be capable of in the process. After all, if the Red Hulk beats everybody and then the Green Hulk beats
him anyway, that must mean the Green Hulk is more powerful than everybody.

The only reason the Green Hulk might not do so yet is that the Red Hulk, even with his imminent beatdown of Thor, hasn't beat up enough of the more powerful figures of the setting yet for the Green Hulk to conclusively show he's better than all of them by showing he's more powerful than the Red Hulk.

Loeb had Supergirl seem initially far more powerful than his pet favourite character at the time, Superman, and she went on to chump out, show up and completely outperform the JSA and JLA alike, adding in doing things like breaking Superboy's jaw with a punch. Then Superman demonstrated he had in fact been more powerful than her all along, of course meaning that it is Superman who is also more powerful than everyone Supergirl had shown up in the interim.

The people who complain or like to think they're making a point about the Red Hulk's accomplishments being ignored are strangely the people who themselves ignore and deride things like Superman under Loeb being a multiversal nexus being who's nigh unlimited power is held back only by his own mental blocks, and who can wipe out armies of beings that can otherwise destroy planets. And other writers working off of that guideline giving him reality warping "T-Vo" powers. Its all stupid beyond belief and highly inconsistent. It's hard to take those stories seriously as having any sort of validity as a result.

Loeb when writing non limited series has become a particularly hacky, crappy writer who only really has a limited number of plots, in which the characters are interchangeable. Whoever he is currently writing as his main character generally is the most powerfulest ever, and has to be the most powerfulest ever, and he seems to not be able to write a character without writing them that way, which has led to of all things stuff like Captain America knocking out the Hulk with some minor help from Spiderman. Characters he writes then inevitably come off as far more powerful than normal. The characters are filling in a position in the guy's generic all purpose (and honestly lazy) plot arc he carries with him from character to character. So yeah, the Red Hulk is overrated. Sure, he's going to beat the snot out of Thor, but then the Green Hulk will beat him anyway.

The main thing the Red Hulk is going to humiliatingly beat up Thor after an extended fight, and then the Green Hulk will probably return and beat him up. And thus we are supposed to accept his supposedly unstoppable power level. It's hard to be impressed or think something is cool when it's a lazy writer using the same plot he had before, and just changing the names.

Superman can not simply beat Wonder Woman, but shatter her *unbreakable* and at that *magically unbreakable* bracelets with a punch ignoring all established facts and ignoring his problems with magic to begin with and then hang her to death with her own lasso as if she doesn't have a chance against him. Oh, and that's after he just beat up a Green Lantern who was channeling not only his own willpower but the willpower of millions.

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Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

As you can see his books took first and third place....Sooooo...how do ya explain this?

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Originally posted by Bardock42
Hmm, I guess, I only read the first 8-10 issues of Superman/Batman, which I didn't find too bad, I thought Hush was a pretty good story and I really, really, really liked The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, they were awesome. But that might be too little to really judge him and I can see how that would be pretty annoying if he did do that.

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Originally posted by willRules
In the same way I'd explain that your favourite Batman storyline of all time, RIP, made it as well

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Originally posted by Raoul
his son died not so long ago... that seemed to coincide with his descent into shittyville...

loeb was a great superman writer for years, his stuff is some of my favourite superman stuff...