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Depa Billaba, Jaden Korr, and Gnost-Dural vs the B Team
Three on three... who wins? Gnost, Depa, and Jaden? Or Fisto, Kolar, and Tiin?
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Last edited by Emperordmb on Nov 5th, 2014 at 04:54 AM
Registered: Mar 2014
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I'm siding with team one here. They impress me more.
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Team 1 has shit quality warriors, Jaden has beaten no one notable and isn't on the same skill tier as Fisto or Kolar both who are considered among the greatest warriors produced by the Jedi order.
Fisto is faster, vastly more skilled, and more powerful than Jaden. He can ragdoll him or kill him in a duel. Depa is featless and would fall to either Kolar or Fisto, and Dural likewise isn't swimming in feats either.
Team 2 stomps 10/10 every time
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Last edited by carthage on Nov 5th, 2014 at 04:59 AM
Alright, *cracks his knuckles * this should be fun, i just wish my furry friend was here.
So i'm expecting this fight to go like this:
Depa Billaba Vs Kit Fisto
Gnost Vs Agen Kolar
Jaden Vs Saesee Tiin
The last two are interchangeable.
Depa Billaba is extremely skilled with the blade, she has killed Twenty four armed men in less than a minute, she was considered too fast, too strong and too "everything" by mace when he dueled her and she even moved faster than him. with the text stating that Mace would have to fully surrender himself to Vaapad in order to beat her. There is no doubt that Billaba would completely devastate Kit Fisto with her skills with the Lightsaber.
Gnost is an incredible swordsmen, who is capable of chaining his lightsaber forms without any trouble, completely decimating young apprentices with his lightsaber prowess and holding out against three different opponents while recovering from torture. In a duel, i'm positive Gnost would win against Kolar. Force powers also go to him[Gnost] as his Force Waves are considerably powerful and his speed could obviously press Kolar. There is no doubt that Gnost would either outlast, defeat or overwhelm Kolar with his lightsaber mastery or his force skills.
Jaden is a powerful Jedi, skilled with the blade and with the force, having defeated the powerful Alpha clone, stalemated the Jedi master Relin, defeated Tavion/Ragnos, Alora and Boba fett. He is a skilled duelist using the Fast and Medium styles of the NJO. In a duel, I'm sure he could defeat Tiin as he was incredibly adept in the defensive style of the NJO. His force prowess is also incredible as he was able to withstand the combined telekinetic might of Runner(Kyle Katarn clone) and Soldier(Jaden Korr clone) though he was initially falling, he was able to summon a reservoir of strength and held his ground until Seer(The Lumiya clone) stepped in. This especially impressive, if you consider the fact that the clones share a bond and can feed off one another's emotions. Jaden could defeat Tiin in a duel or with TK.
Team 1 takes the win.
**** off.
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Last edited by Fated Xtasy on Nov 5th, 2014 at 05:21 AM
There is nothing impressive about killing non force sensitives. She moved faster than him due to the fact he was shot in the chest by a blaster bolt, had been treking in the jungle for days, was sleep deprived, and had been constantly fighting since he was on the planet. Mace even flat out stated he had no desire to fight her:
So her only skill feat takes place against fighting a Mace who was gravely injured, exhausted from battling/traveling through the jungle, had sustained injuries from fighting Vastor, and who was clearly not interested in fighting. He is plainly faster in normal condition, appearing to teleport from a blaster bolt, weaving webs of light, etc. Depa also was amped by dark rage to top it all of. She'd get stomped if she fought him under normal condition. Agen and Fisto are more skilled than her. She has no other dueling feats to compare to Fisto fighting faster than Obi wan could perceive, Fisto beating Grievous, Fisto blitzing Magnaguards, and Agen stomping Quinlan who was also considered one of the best Swordsmen produced by the order. Her fight/performace was entirely circumstantial.
Gnost beat featless darksiders who have no feats compared Quinlan Vos, General Grievous, or Obi Wan Kenobi. Agen ko'ed Vos without even trying with a single Kick, Vos has fought evenly with Tholme, beaten Sora Bulq, and is considered one of the best Swordsmen in the Jedi order. Gnost has no accolades or feats to compare to either in terms of dueling individuals of merit. Agen Kolar is considered one of the best swordsmen the Jedi order ever produced:
As for his force feats nothing suggests they'd bridge the gap in terms of their skill, Vos has levitated a boulder, thrown a speed, dodged blaster bolts, and dominated K'Kruhk with TK. Quinlan has superior force feats to Dural, and still lost to Kolar who wasn't even trying. Quinlan likewise has superior dueling feats to Dural, so there is no reason that a inferior swordsmen/force user to the guy Dural beat could take him
Gnost has no feats surpassing Vos dodging Vos's attacks with ease, and ko'ing him with a single kick.
None of those opponents really compare to Quinlan Vos, Grievous, Kenobi, or anyone who B team has defeated/fought evenly with
He knows multiple forms which is fine, but he's beaten no one in terms of skill to validate him being a superior duelist to Fisto or Kolar. Tiin's force feats also surpass Jaden's, Dural's, and Depa's by a decent margin. Tiin was considered t be one of the most powerful force users in the Jedi order:
--Taken from The Official Star Wars Fact File #114
Jaden has thrown a boulder/toppled a pillar which are solid feats, but Tiin has thrown a battle droid 400 meters (further than Mace Windu), redirected missiles, lifted huge droid parts, and thrown a man with enough impact to crack a wall. Tiin's force feats are more precise, Tiin is a superior telepath, and would defeat Jaden in any force duel they'd engage in. For speed, Tiin has moved his blade fast enough to form a shield, moved fast enough to appear in three places, and moved his blade in a blur. Jaden has no speed feats to compare.
Jaden, Gnost, and Depa are inferior force users to all of B team, less skilled, and have no feats to compare to them at their best
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Last edited by carthage on Nov 5th, 2014 at 06:17 AM
And Depa was also in no condition to fight, she was frail and fragile and needed help to stand. and he didn't get shot, he got stabbed by Depa. He had slept and She had also been fighting for months. Anything else?
She was using Vaapad, of course she's drawing on the darkness. she's moved faster than him, she was stronger than him she was "Too everything" for him. She was forcing him into fully falling into Vaapad. Fisto fight with Grevious is circumstantial, The doctor droid stated that he needed rest yet he[grevious] Still fought, he lost one of his arms early on due to debris. not to mention Fisto had the edge due to his fighting style and when did Fisto blitz Magnaguards?
Mace > Obi-Wan> Grevious > Fisto > Quinlan > Agen. Also, it's spelled "performance". what else you got troll boy?
He's created a near impenetrable wall of defense with Soresu, held out against Sith lord while he was still recovering from being tortured - torture that left his mind and body ravaged. Tholme got wrecked by dooku, what else? Sora Bulq? impressive. Agen is featless, his victory over quinlan was circumstantial, Was quinlan not under cover? would he try to kill a fellow Jedi?
We're not debating Quinlan Vs Gnost though. Did quinlan uses Force powers against Agen? Answer: No. Also, how do you "throw a speed"?
Aside from - you know, creating a near impenetrable wall with Soresu and moving so fast the people within the station thought their minds were playing tricks on them, killed a person in less then a second. Yeah, sure whatever dude.
Yeah, three extremely powerful clones who have an oroboros of power, were stated to have mastered basic and advanced force techniques, overwhelmed elite squads of Stormies & Droids, can use force waves strong enough to collapse a building and make a hospital look like it had been hit by a bomb are nothing special. A dark councilor is nothing special. Mace-mother****ing- Windu(added the mother****er part because it's samuel L jackson) doesn't really compare to them at all. lmao. Yeah, right. don't make me laugh.
Jaden was considered one of the most promising students of the NJO and is constantly praised by Katarn and Luke., Depa is praised by Yoda:
"Member of the Jedi Council, she is. Powerful Jedi. Brilliant warrior-"
-- Star Wars: Shatterpoint.
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"If rogue she has gone. to find her, difficult it will be. To apprehend her." His voice dropped, as though the words caused him pain. "Dangerous, that will be."
-- Star Wars: Shatterpoint(Yoda)
Gnost has been praised highly:
"I heard tales of your great battle prowess while I was on Tython." She told him.
―Star Wars: Old Republic Annihilation (Page 232)
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Master Gnost-Dural's appearance was intimidating and unsettling. But Theron knew he was one of the most respected and honored Masters in the Order.
―Star Wars: Old Republic Annihilation (Page 109)
Having reviewed the file the Jedi sent over, however, Theron knew he was more than a mere historian. Gnost-Dural was also an accomplished warrior; he'd been battling the Sith ever since their startling reemergence on the galactic stage, longer than Theron had even been alive.
―Star Wars: Old Republic Annihilation (Page 110)
Credit to WildBantha88 for the quotes on Gnost.
Educate yourself before you spew your BS Carthage.
LMAO A battle droid? wow it's not like those are extremely weak or anything, I'm sure no one else has done that before. What's Telepathy got to do with a fight? Jaden has also moved his blade fast enough to form a shield and moved in a blur, who the hell hasn't? So, Tiin throwing a man is impressive, but when Bane does it to a group of people with enough force to completely obliterate their internal organs...it's not? Nice double standards, unsurprising, but still good to know.
if your uneducated in their prowess then sure. But if you do know of them. then you'd see that they are clearly heads and shoulders above B-team.
I've debated with much more impressive people than you, hell, i'm currently in a debating with someone who is heads and shoulders above you. You really ought to read up on your stuff, before you start spewing inaccuracies and idiocies. Team 1 wins, keep trying.
She was amped, and in better condition evidently, as Mace had been fighting ever since he left Pelek Baw and kept fighting, stabbed, sustained more injuries, and was disinterested in fighting her. Try reading the post again, she had multiple advantages that she doesn't have her. Fisto likewise is more skilled, as is Agen, who all have beaten opponents without the advantages she had when she engaged a beaten down/disinterested Mace.
She won't be amped in this fight given she isn't mad/wont be drawing on anything in a duel with Fisto. Her speed feats came as a result of being amped, this isn't hard to follow.
Bad analogy, Fisto's victory over Grievous came due to a stylistic advantage in his style not because he was fighting an injured, tired, and disinterested opponent. While he'd be hard pressed given the fact she uses a single blade, she has no other dueling feats to suggest she could beat him and he is still faster. As for his magnaguard feat he cuts them before they realize what happens:
-Labyrinth of Evil
He's also dodged blaster bolts, fought faster than Obi wan could perceive, and fought in a "blur of light with Ventress". He is faster than anyone on team 1 and more skilled as well.
Cool story bro, bringing up the fact other's trashed Quinlan doesn't debase the fact that he has more impressive feats than any of the people on team 1. Agen being called one of the most skilled Jedi ever produced by the order, beating Quinlan who has beaten Sora Bulq (who pressured Mace Windu), are more important feats of skill tha anything displayed by the fighters in team 1. This isn't a hard train of thought to follow, Team 1 has more skilled fighters due to fighting individuals who actually have significant accolades or showings.
You stated Gnost or Jaden would beat Agen through the force, I pointed out Quinlan's feats which surpass Gnost's/are comparable to Jaden to point out that is untrue. Vos has better force feats than Kolar, but still lost a duel due to being outskilled. You have provided no feats to suggest that their force abilities would outweigh Agen's skill.
So its unimpressive when Tiin throws a droid and kills hordes of droids with Mace, but impressive when featless clones kill them? Lmao. Nice double standards kid.
Please stick to the points.
I've never dismissed Depa's skill, she just doesn't have the feats to compare with anyone on B team.
Post the quotes if he has then, it's that simple. If he has then they're on the same speed tier, also Tiin has moved fast enough to appear three places at once which is likely a superior feat given you've provided nothing to prove otherwise.
Lmao the only double standard that exists is yours which I've pointed out twice now. You aren't very good at sticking on topic Bane has nothing to do with this fight.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
I'm 'antagonizing' him but he makes posts like this?
Lol.
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk
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Carthage you put to much faith in Vos. He is skilled no doubt about that but he is far from the best in his era. He beat Volfe due to BM and spent the majority of his duel with Sora getting toyed with, he only beat Sora because Sora got sloppy.
Anyways, undecided. Contestants on Team 1 are B-Team level with Korr clocking in slightly above and Depa slightly below.
That being said, Team 2 has experience working together on multiple fights so that advantage might tip the odds.
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In all seriousness Jaden alone defeated Marka Ragnos who not only was considered the most powerful Sith of his time but also had access to power of multiple Force nexuses absorbed by his skepter and that's before his prime. Jaden alone should be able to dismiss B-team in sabers or with Force.
Don't care really.
If people choose to dismiss the fact that Jaden before his prime defeated one of the most powerful ancient Sith aided by skepter that absorbed multiple potent nexuses, it is their prerogative.
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I see you chose to take that as meaning "Jaden sux because he is Gnost level" But Gnost is an extremely skilled swordsmaster. He is easily among the top jedi of his era.
I don't know anything about him but I am fine with him being among the top of his era. Makes it even more amusing that some people think that B-team can somehow win.
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And he also beat Bulq at his prime, unlike when he lost to Kolar.
And Fisto's defeat of Grievous was also circumstantial, and well before the good General's peak.
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Shadilay my brothers and sisters. With any luck we will throw off the shackles of normie oppression. We have nothing to lose but our chains! Praise Kek!
THE MOTTO IS "IN KEK WE TRUST"
Last edited by Emperordmb on Nov 5th, 2014 at 02:00 PM
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