The Balrog. Drogon doesn;t really have a way to hurt it. fire won't do jack, and the only reason Gandalf won was due to powerful magical attacks and enchantments.
You realize the Balrog is made of fire, smoke, and shadow right? There's nothing for Drogon to bite. Gandalf only fought it off because they were the same type of angel and roughly around the same power level. He had to use magic to actually hurt Durin's Bane.
How do you think? The Balrog can generate enormous hellfire weapons. It starts with a massive flaming scimitar and proceeds from there.
The balrog also has flight, and has wings, and is actually more powerfully built compared to Drogon. It has arms. And trying to bite something made of shadow and flame is.... not going to do anything to it. Gandalf's powers only worked on it because he is also a Maiar who's power diametrically opposes it.
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Physical attacks (at least from magic weapons) hurt the Balrog. You don't need to be a Maia to hurt one. And Westeros dragons are beings of magic. I've little doubt their bites would damage a Balrog.
Of course, with that said, the Balrog does win this. Drogon's fire won't do anything and when he comes down to bite the Balrog thrashes him.
I contest that the flames of the Doom of Valyria did in fact kill every dragon within the freehold, as per World of Ice and Fire.
So no, complete fire immunity is patently false, or at the very least only applies to mundane fires such as the funeral pyre. Such a thing wouldn't really apply to mystical flames such as the flame of Udun, which supercede things such as the Thrangorodrim or the fires of Mt Doom. Udun's flame was used to shape even fire creatures such as Smaug and all other Dragons of Arda.
And as I mentioned above, the Balrogs are not small by any stretch, and are actually much more powerfully built if not larger than Drogon, plus the Balrogs all have wings and can fly, as was proven when they chased away Ungoliant.
No it wasn't. Dragons were created when Morgoth was chilling in Udun. And "flame of Udun" is simply a term Gandalf uses to refer to the Balrog basically it's calling him a demon from hell.
Also "winged speed" may simply be used as a descriptor for the speed rather than to suggest they literally flew. Though it's a moot point, at the Balrog in the films did have wings and that is what we are using.
As in Hellfire, as in Morgoth's Flame Imperishable. It's a figure of speech for the most part, but Morgoth had to pour some of his own power into his creations and mutations to make them. Thats why come the time of say his confrontation with Ungoliant, or Fingolfin he is considerably depowered than when he was during the time of the Song.
Sure. But it's never called the "flame of Udun" or "Morgoth's Flame Imperishable". As far as I'm aware, Morgoth's power is never once referred to as a "mystical flame".
Well, in actuality it's a corrupted version of the Flame of Arnor/Secret fire/The Flame Imperishable, IE the flame of creation that is Eru's power. it exists in the heart of Ea, and is what comprises the souls of all things in creation, Valar and Maiar included. the Flame of Udun is merely Melkor's perversion of his own Flame.
No it's not. The Flame Imperishable is the power of creation which is something Tolkien has deliberately and repeatedly stated Melkor does not have. And I've seen nothing suggesting that souls are made from pieces of it.
No it doesn't. That a wiki that can be edited by fans. Show me a passage where it states that it makes up the souls and minds of people. The only time such a thing is stated that I'm aware of is at the creation of the second world and it's only then that Eru grants it to others.
When Melkor looks for it before the creation of Arda, it stated that "he found not the Fire, for it is with Ilúvatar." This strongly suggests that it is not in any form within Melkor. Perhaps one could interpret Eru placing the Flame in Arda as God sending forth the Holy Spirit (Tolkien sure loved his Christianity). But then Melkor certainly could not be of it as it is anathema to him.
I don't need to, that has been up there for a decade or more unchanged. I didn't say they have the power to use it the way Eru does, as that is specifically stated by Eru to be impossible. However, Melkor and the other Ainur are capable of using theirs to INFLUENCE Ea. It is what gives them power.
And no, it is not anathema to him, otherwise him seeking it is completely stupid. However, in a lot of ways it is a metaphor. While he cannot do what Eru does with it inefinitely, the fact remains that he always had part of it within him as to all things. Kind of the point of explaining hubris.
Damn, quote and edit are down again... Anyways, aries834, this is off topic and completely detached from the thread topic. Not gonna derail any further on this as it is unimportant.
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