Never let anyone else define you. Don't be a jerk just to be a jerk, but if you are expressing your true inner feelings and beliefs, or at least trying to express that inner child, and everyone gets pissed off about it, never NEVER apologize for it. Let them think what they want, let them define you in their narrow little minds while they suppress every last piece of them just to keep a friend that never liked them for themselves in the first place.
Muso Tensei. Oh wait, that probably won't stop him from getting a Mangekyo Sharingan level Tsukiyomi, which would cause him to stop doing Muso Tensei, which would let the other brother murder his face.
The problem with that is that it was made explicitly clear that Kekkei Genkai(Sharingan, Byakugan, etc...) are genetic only and cannot be copied. That's canon, so Suieshin is out the door. Unless it allows him to change his DNA structure into that of an Uchiha.
Why would he fight with his eyes closed? He doesn't know the full depth of the Sharingan. So he'd have no need to.
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True but there is nothing that stops Kenshiro to create his own techniques and counter-techniques on the fly via his own Ki-Mastery which is one the basics of Hokuto Shinken.
And what makes you think that the Sharingan will work against the Muso Tensei which cannot be copied either ?
To use these techniques he has to be solid doesn't he? Or can you use Muso Tensei, be nothingness, and still somehow interact with people?
They don't need to copy Muso Tensei, or any of his techniques(even though they can copy literally every other one, which if he tried to use his copy technique, and they copied it, they'd get Muso Tensei as well.
My point is, with Sharingan, Tsukiyomi is an insta-win. Even Amaterasu, as it's instantaneous. Unless you think he starts the fight in Muso Tensei already.
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You can be nothingness and use your technique like usual.
That's why it's a broken move.
The Suieishin isn't something visible.
I'm pretty sure that the Sharingan is limited to ninja techniques.
You can't copy the Muso Tensei at all.
Raoh mastered the Suieishin and he couldn't copy it either.
1) Muso Tensei is a state of being, I see no reasons for Kenshiro not to use it from the start. He only avoided to use it in the Part 2 to make a fair fight against Falco and others, as a part of the plot is that Kenshiro understands not only the techniques of his enemies but help them redeem themselves, which will not be the case here.
Thus he can perfectly start in Muso Tensei.
2) The point of the Muso Tensei is to make the enemies techniques useless.
3) The duration of the Tsukuyomi is very short and Kenshiro has recovered very fast from techniques like that before he mastered the Muso Tensei. Shuh's Illusionary Palm technique, sure it's not as powerful as the Tsukuyomi but it's an example of illusionary technique.
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Completely wrong.
1) Kaioh used a specific technique called Anryu Tenha which create a weightless space
2) This didn't affect the Muso Tensei but Kenshiro was disoriented which lead him to stop the technique himself.
3) This technique doesn't work anymore on Kenshiro as he doesn't suffer the effect of the space sickness and he absorbed this ability which allows him to counter his effects if needed.
That's complete bullshit, one more time, so read above and you will maybe understand what happened in the manga instead of Shariforcing and creating some definist fallacy.
1. Anryu Tenha levitates a person, which disorients them. This is prove that physical events can disrupt the user of MT's concentration, and de-activate it.
2. Irrelevant. If the attack can be stopped, it can be stopped- which it can.
3. There is no "space sickness". You're trying to church up the fact that Kenshiro was disrupted from his concentration by a simple levitation technique, to make it seem less unimpressive.
No. You're wanking a stupid intangibility technique to make it seem like it's unstoppable. When in reality, it can be beaten simply by causing the user to lose concentration. Something that ANY Uchiha could do with LESS than a glance.
And again, all it takes is a large, physical disruption, to make the user lose concentration. Practically any of the HST's relevant characters are capable of doing that effortlessly. You know, by doing things like destroying mountains, continents, heating the atmosphere to 15 million degrees centigrade, etc.
If I'm wrong, then show me the scan where Raoh's feat is debunked. If it says anything other than, "Muso tensei cannot be interrupted by anything other than Anryu Tenha", then you are WRONG.
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I will not post again what I've already posted in here.
The 3 points that you are making-up and aren't what happened in the manga.
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"Anryu Tenha consists of throwing off your enemy's equilibrium by projecting a weightless space around them using the current created by Evil Ki".
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It cannot. That's the point of the Muso Tensei.
There is nothing in the series that stops the Muso Tensei itself because it's the ultimate technique that allows to ignore anyone techniques and supernatural abilities.
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"Since we have both assimilated Muso Tensei." Hokuto Shinken techniques are no longer techniques that we can use. This is nothingness ! Return to square one !!"
Ken can start in Muso Tensei. Still dies from a Tsukuyomi overload(or gets trapped in it and killed while stuck in the illusion), unless you're gonna say he never opens his eyes.
"Before using it on Kakashi in Part I, Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him; as demonstrated when Sasuke overcame Itachi's Tsukuyomi in their battle." So Ken can't break out of it, as he is not an Uchiha, nor does he even have an implanted Sharingan like Danzo.
"If a victim is forced to experience a drastic passage of time in the fraction of a second Tsukuyomi is actually active, the stress on their mind would kill them, even if the genjutsu was a happy and peaceful one, such as when Itachi uses this technique to kill Izumi Uchiha by having her experience decades worth of time in a fraction of a second." So Itachi has evidence that he can simply kill him by forcing him through a few decades in an instant. Even if he didn't use that method, the psychological damage is so great that only Tsunade was capable of reversing the trauma, and Kisame was surprised Kakashi's mind was still intact, so even if he survived, he'd be in no condition to use Muso Tensei or even fight.
There's no way for him to defeat it.
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The Tsukuyomi will just "hit nothing" which is the point of the Muso Tensei.
The nature of the Hokuto Shinken is to be a plot Martial Arts capable to create new techniques on the fly. Ken can absolutely find a counter to that technique if needed whatever he is a Uchiha or not.
That's Itachi here.
Th main problem is that Kenshiro controls his spiritual energies. He literally repelled Kaioh's aura while he was unconscious to the point he made him suffocate.
Is there any evidence that Sasuke can use the same technique ?
The problem is that the Muso Tensei counter every techniques in the first place.
You didn't show any evidence that the Tsukuyomi can affect the Muso Tensei (which is normal considering the nature of the Muso Tensei).
You didn't show any evidence that Sasuke can use the Tsukuyomi.
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