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If He Be Worthy - Leonidas VS LORDOFBROOKLYN

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Let the games begin!! For and honor and glory!!!

Leonidas (Loki) vs LordOfBrooklyn (Cyborg Superman)


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Fight ! For worthiness is on the line!


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Opening Post

CYBORG SUPERMAN:RAGNAROK
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Henshaw_

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All the FALSE Norse Gods are destined to die during Ragnarok.

For Loki Ragnarok comes in the form of CYBORG SUPERMAN!!!

Loki while formidable is a COWARD at heart who seeks to manipulate from the shadows and control through sorcery. And while a brother to Thor he shares NONE of the physical attributes of enhanced strength and most importantly SPEED.

Loki will have no time to pull off his machinations against

CYBORG SUPERMAN!!!

THE MURDERER OF MISCHIEF!!!

This is how Loki will meet his end.

The speed of thought is 120 meters per second.

The SPEED OF CYBORG SUPERMAN
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Cyborg Superman CLEARLY acts before Loki can REACT!!

1.Cyborg Superman merges with Mjolnir.
The Magical aspects of Mjolnir will not be a constraint as he has merged and controlled the Source Wall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourc...ctional_history
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2.After merging with Mjolnir Cyborg Superman will now replicate himself several times over!

As demonstrated here the process is instantaneous
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Now that CYBORG SUPERMAN THE CONQUEROR has amassed his army they have but one mission.

ANNIHILATION!!!

Cyborg Superman WITHOUT Mjolnir can destroy a city in a single blast

WITNESS DESTRUCTION BEYOND COMPARE!!!
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As mentioned before CYBORG THE CONQUEROR and his ARMY have become Mjolnir. Mjolnir can magnify an attack tenfold!

https://imgur.com/a/CKHN3

THE CYBORG SUPERMEN FIRE AN EXTINCTION LEVEL BLAST AND INCINERATE LOKI!!!

Loki DOES NOT have autoshields and even if you allow him to cast a spell of protection there is NO WAY a shield defends against a blast of this magnitude.

LOKI’S FINAL WORDS WERE…..
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Old Post Apr 15th, 2018 02:31 AM
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u]POST, THE OPENING[/u]

So, at long last we meet! I have finally come face to face with my nemesis, the yang to my yin, the coke to my pepsi. It was destiny that brought us to this battle field where only one can claim victory. Have at thee Bentley! Have at—wait, what? I’m going against who?? Really?? Huh. Who’d a thunk it?

Heh

Jokes aside, I’ve read enough of LOB’s bz’s to know not to underestimate him here. So without further ado:

ZE PLAN!

1. I hit the battlefield and teleport to the far side of the planet-sized BF. He’s faster than I am but he isn’t attacking at light speed instantly to blitz me before I cast a teleport spell.

2. The instant I randomly reappear (on the opposite side of the planet) I raise a shield focused through Mjolnir:

https://imgur.com/a/9Zfwi

NOTE: that shield was raised on his own, and was capable of keeping out the VOID for a prolonged period. Again, you see him dressed as the Sorcerer Supreme, and may THINK that means he was amped for that shield, but as the second scan shows he was NEVER SS, it was all an illusion. The shield feat is purely Loki. thumb up

I can raise a second one as well should I need to:

https://imgur.com/a/wKvKY

Now, he’ll find me very quickly, no doubt. Mjolnir will make that happen, or his Superman-esque senses will. He’ll likely try plowing through my shields, but NO ONE is getting through those shields quickly or easily. On my own I can keep VOID at bay. With Mjolnir in hand amping my spell, no way borg is plowing through. He can try draining them, but that too will take time. Time he isn’t going to have.

3. If he tries playing coy and doesn’t come to me, doesn’t matter. I can effortlessly locate him anywhere on the BF.

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...zMjczMA==/?ref=

https://imgur.com/a/JwxBB

There are SEVERAL other similar examples should I need to show them. Suffice to say finding him won’t be an issue, though I suspect that is not going to be a concern…

4. Whether he comes to me or I go to him doesn’t matter. Once I know where he is, it will be game over. First thing I do is cast some dupes of myself:

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...zMjE0MA==/?ref=

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...zMjEzOQ==/?ref=

Of course, it won’t take long for him to either use Mjolnir to penetrate the illusions, or come up with some way to adapt his own weapons to find me by calculating my bio-frequency or something like that, but both those things will take a small amount of time. Once I’ve cast my copies, I port behind him and touch him.

In my last match I showed how effectively Loki can deal with spirts/life forces. Good thing, because that it pretty much the only sure avenue of attack against Henshaw.

https://imgur.com/a/Nwbwh

Again, in the scans we see loki’s spirit take possession of the destroyer (from across the universe), we see him possess a random street walker and touch tarene (whose spirit he then FORCES into the destroyer with a touch), we see him swap souls with ODIN (in the odinsleep) we see him possess war machine, AND the famous theft of sif’s body (simultaneously trapping her spirit in that of an old, dying mortal.)

To reiterate: Loki knows spirits.

I didn’t show a couple scans last time round though that I will show here:

https://imgur.com/a/mo3WX

In the above scans we see Loki effortlessly—truly—steal the souls of both Verity Willis and Old King Loki (who looked like Loki because he was “unmasked” and, well, at one point in the past, Old King Loki WAS current Loki…confusing I know, but trust me, they are NOT the same character, and Old King Loki was every bit as powerful as the classic version, and maybe moreso).

With Verity, we see him steal her soul to save her, and he stores it in a bracelet. He places King Loki’s soul in a globe which he then places in his scepter—(which DAMBORG has ruled is good for this tourney! thumb up ) --for safe keeping.

To reiterate—with a touch he plucked out TARENE’S soul (THE DESIGNATE, on par and potentially MORE powerful than THOR), then, with barely anyone noticing he stole the souls of both Old King Loki and Verity. Again, LOKI KNOWS SPIRITS.

And before someone says BORG’s spirit is different, it’s electronic!!1!

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...zMjExOQ==/?ref=

Doesn’t matter. Consciousness is consciousness. Life force is life force. And Loki can control and manipulate them.

5. Once I teleport behind him? Yep, I touch him and cast his consciousness/spirit/life force out of his body. Where do I put it? In the globe with King Loki of course! laughing out loud

6. The moment his soul is cast out, I transmute his defenseless body into snow:

https://imgur.com/a/mKY8F

So he can’t send his mind back into it, or reshape it into anything he can reside in, and I immediately teleport across the planet (to buy time from his hammer) and again raise my forcefields.

7. Again ensconced behind my fields, I tell Mjolnir to ward off the OTHER Mjolnir, then travel myself, astrally, into the globe where I placed Henshaw’s consciousness where it becomes a 2 on 1 astral battle. Even in astral form Loki has immense power:

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...zMjAxNA==/?ref=

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As you can see, even an astral Loki is extremely powerful and dangerous. And in the globe there are 2 of us against one Henshaw. Two is overkill, in the extreme. He is not inhabiting any machine, he is simply a disembodied spirit, trapped in an environment he has no control over. Battling against 2 enormously seasoned astral bodies who still retain much of their normal power levels.

He dies in seconds, and with no mind for it to return to, HIS Mjolnir simply…stops. /shrug

So, that’s the plan. Why do I think it will work? The only times the Borg is ever really beaten is when his consciousness is trapped somewhere. Usually he transmits it to different places to escape. If it’s trapped, HE’S trapped—or worse, as Boodika shows below:

https://imgur.com/a/Oxp74

Darkseid beat him by trapping his consciousness. Superman beat him by trapping his consciousness. And Boodika effectively killed his astral form because her willpower battled his consciousness as he tried taking over her machine form. He doesn’t even have THAT much to use here, no machine to use for strength, against the 2 versions of myself. With no other place to send his consciousness, between us, we would overwhelm and kill him almost immediately.
Game, set and match.

To sum up:

1. I appear (WITH HAMMER AND SCEPTRE) and teleport across the planet to ensure time to raise shields.
2. Then he comes to me or I find him with a spell.
3. When he arrives, I cast a dozen copies of myself as a momentary distraction and teleport behind him, touching him and driving his soul from his body into the globe of my staff. I then transmute his body into snow as I did to Bor.
4. Then I teleport across the planet again (to buy time from his hammer)and raise shields to keep his Mjnolnir from interrupting. I order my hammer to keep his at bay.
5. I travel into the globe myself and together my future self (with whom I’ve reconciled, as shown in the scans) and I slaughter his soul.

I have shown Loki easily casting out several souls—Old King Loki, Verity, Tarene, possessing War Machine and even casting out a sleeping Odin’s soul. He even cast the VISION out of a MAINFRAME! Vision, who himself has some pretty solid technopathic feats. Another example—in a plan gone wrong he cast Balder’s spirit into the DESTROYER, but was forced—with a gesture—to return it to his body again:

https://imgur.com/a/GfPwV

Souls are Loki’s to play with. This may seem like a simple solution to the Cyborg, but he’d need to show some evidence of being able to AVOID having his soul forced out. Here the Tribunal pretty easily takes control of Cyborg’s body (supplanting his consciousness and soul) with some….nameless gem:

https://imgur.com/a/RqmBC

Loki’s power is FAR from nameless, and for all his technopathy, and physical power, the Cyborg has no special defense against this type of attack.

And like his character, LOB’s soul also dies…. It was an honour to be the one to slay you. thumb up


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The fail is strong with me thumb up

Can this be moved to the BZ forum please? lmao


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POST ZE SECOND, ZE REBUT!

Recycling a plan no one really bought in the first place?

Ok, let’s take a look at the obvious issues with what he is trying to do:

1. He wants to merge with Mjolnir. no expression

This, from the very next issue of the arc:

https://imgur.com/a/9FyjE

He can’t live in inanimate objects, he needs MACHINERY.

For fear of stating the obvious—MJOLNIR IS NOT A MACHINE. And given that he is not a Thunder God for the purposes of this tourney, he doesn’t have access to Mother Storm related feats which means HIS Mjolnir is NOT sentient either. IE—it’s a magical, INANIMATE object.

I mean could he throw his mind into Diana’s lasso? Her bracelets? Of course not. Given the crazy spells woven into Mjolnir, he’d have even LESS luck trying to pull that stunt with the hammer….

2. He is going to create an army from the hammer….? confused It’s like all he did was look at the pictures.

Look at his scan again:

https://imgur.com/a/ZRY3F

The rubble contains AMPLE portions of its own unique CIRCUIT PATTERNS.

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Sooo…..basically the Borg could only perform that feat because (a) the Wall was depicted as a form of MACHINE, complete with unique CIRCUIT PATTERNS, and (b) because he had enough RAW MATERIALS to draw from. Yet somehow he wants people to think he can take over Mjolnir and create an army with it.

Sigh….

No circuit patterns in Mjolnir, and not enough raw materials to make anything much bigger than a loaf of bread.

END RESULT: HIS PLAN BURNS TO THE GROUND, UTTERLY. thumb up

Now then, how does that complete disaster of an opening play in my favour? Well, it certainly buys me time. Perhaps, as he struggles to place his sentience into the hammer, I locate him with a spell, and cast my copies from a distance. We’ve seen Loki cast spells across time and dimensions:

https://imgur.com/a/q8QCG

And here he easily casts an illusion from Asgard to Earth to fool Hulk:

https://imgur.com/a/J9g6C

Casting a simple illusion across a planetary distance would be less than nothing. As Borg engages my duplicates, or makes to dispel them, I port behind him and *poof* cast out his sentience into my globe. From there, all continues as planned.

I mean, there really should be a price paid for an opening THAT completely inept. Lol

ZE ALTERNATIVE!

Anyway, that’s….really all there is to this. Since I do have some time though, I thought I’d take a second to submit an alternative to my opening. Let’s say for a moment that he somehow DOES show a scan that suggests I can’t toss his spirit out of his body. (I have no idea how or why that would be the case, but for arguments’ sake, let’s say he establishes SOME form of doubt).

I could always just FREE Old King Loki from the globe. That would immediately make it a 2 on 1 situation and we could work together to possess him and destroy his astral form from within his body—again, exactly like Boodika did. We could weaken him—if necessary—with a combination of psychic attacks and magic, and even though we would be battling inside his cyborg body, we are experts in astral battle and together we would be able to take him over, at least as easily as the Tribunal and his gem did. He’d ALSO need some proof he could simply withstand our (or even just MY OWN) psychic powers. No reason we, or I, couldn’t just decimate him with high level mind-rapage. /shrug

Short and sweet. My plan remains EXACTLY as outlined. Nothing has changed for me aside from the fact that I have gained even more time than I thought I would have while he wastes precious time trying to take control of an inanimate object with just enough raw material to bake a cake. thumb up


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Let’s see what the LYING, LOWLIFE, LEONIDAS has provided as a rebuttal.

1.Inanimate Objects- Now, Lowlife Leonidas wants to fool the judges with as many LIES and inaccuracies as possible. I will DESTROY each one with ease.

He can’t live in inanimate objects, he needs MACHINERY.
For fear of stating the obvious—MJOLNIR IS NOT A MACHINE. And given that he is not a Thunder God for the purposes of this tourney, he doesn’t have access to Mother Storm related feats which means HIS Mjolnir is NOT sentient either. IE—it’s a magical, INANIMATE object.
- Canadian Cuck

Mjolnir is not INANIMATE but SENTIENT.

Here is the proof.
https://i.imgur.com/CB1XiMj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MqGPkTk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gy7NLXK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/u4xn57b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vCtwSGP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Nz7Rg8b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/B43MUNr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NSmXWGT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QBEZYvH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8kfbl2T.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UuxqX6B.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BX9B50M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5lFlcVi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6WrxpiC.jpg

Being the LECHEROUS LOSER that he is Leonidas wants you judges to now do the following.

A)DISMISS the retcon that now establishes that Mjolnir has ALWAYS been sentient. Which clearly means that all the prior showings with Odinson were depicting the SAME sentient hammer in action.

B)Turn Mjolnir into a MERE MELEE WEAPON as Cyborg Superman is “Not a Thunder God”. For the benefit of the mentally challenged among us and/or CANADIANS. I will post the following picture.

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Cyborg Superman IS WORTHY of wielding Mjolnir and as such has ALL the benefits of the hammer. The ONLY restriction is spellcasting as Cyborg Superman is not a mage!

VERDICT-Mjolnir IS SENTIENT and as such must have a system to distribute commands through its system. That system is EFFECTIVELY CIRCUITRY and therefore can be manipulated by Cyborg Superman. Any wielder of Mjolnir in this tournament is by default WORTHY and as such has ALL the capabilities associated with it. Cyborg Superman CAN merge with Mjolnir and exhibit control as he did with The Source Wall.

Cyborg Conqueror- 1 Limp Leonidas-0

Judges, let’s now look at what LYING LEONIDAS has FAILED to address.

1.Speed Advantage- Cyborg Superman AND his Cyborg Superman have the distinct speed advantage and YET Leonidas wants you to believe the following.

a)“I hit the battlefield and teleport to the far side of the planet-sized BF. He’s faster than I am but he isn’t attacking at light speed instantly to blitz me before I cast a teleport spell.”-Canadian Cuck

To “TELEPORT” Loki must APPEAR on the battlefield first! Loki is NOT operating at “Light Speed” as the REPROBATE so conveniently referenced. Rather, he is operating at “THE SPEED OF THOUGHT” which Cyborg Superman and his Cyborg Army are DEFINITIVELY faster than.

Now if you allow for teleportation Leonidas contends that Loki STILL has enough time to do this

b) “The instant I randomly reappear (on the opposite side of the planet)”- Lying Leonidas

So, Loki now not ONLY has time to TELEPORT away before he is incinerated by no LESS than a GROUP of Cyborg Supermen he also has appeared on the “Opposite side of the Planet”
Cyborg Superman and his Cyborgs have ALL seen and their speed of both MOVEMENT and PERCEPTION are greater than Loki’s. Despite this Loki has now evaded them to the “Opposite side of the planet”


LIES!!!

Lastly, Leonidas then STILL has the time to

c) “Raise a shield through Mjolnir”- Lecherous Loser

VERDICT- Leonidas has provided NO PROOF regarding the following. First, that Loki can act faster than Cyborg Superman and his army can attack not just during the INITIAL assault but a second and third attack as well. Second, he NEVER addresses the shield holding up to a city leveling attack now magnified 100 times over by Several combatants. Cyborg Superman’s initial attack Succeeds, and Loki is incinerated.

Cyborg Superman 1 Moose Molester- 0

In closing, here is what The Moose Molester is asking you judges to allow for his victory.

1)That Mjolnir IS NOT SENTIENT and therefore can’t be utilized by Cyborg Superman.

2)Despite being WORTHY by default as specified by the tournament Mjolnir is merely a melee weapon for Cyborg Superman and he is BARRED from its other properties.

3)Loki is not only FASTER than the Speed of Thought but also FASTER than Cyborg Superman and his replicants who share his EXACT physical capabilities.

Leonidas left himself on the field of battle TWICE without a shield by his own posting and that is MORE than enough time for Cyborg Superman to incinerate him.

LOKI DIES!!!!


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Leonidas final post! Part 1

POST, ZE FINAL

Well, the lordofBS hath struck back. Let’s see what to make of his post:

1. Sentience of Mjolnir. The issue isn’t whether the hammer is sentient, but whether he would have access to the sentient feats. It was my understanding that only tourney recognized Thunder Gods get access to Mother Storm and other storm-related feats. Lol Whatever. Trivial in the grand scheme. I’m happy to leave the issue in the hands of the judges to decide or work out and rule how you will. thumb up

2. Why don’t I care whether his hammer is considered sentient or not? Well, because THIS point damns his entire plan anyway:

quote:
Mjolnir IS SENTIENT and as such [u]must have a system to distribute commands through its system. That system is EFFECTIVELY CIRCUITRY and therefore can be manipulated by Cyborg Superman.


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I mean, WTH kinda nonsense….? That’s so crazy I genuinely don’t know how to rebut it. Is this the same circuitry that forces people in the lasso to tell the truth? The same circuitry runs through the Eye of Agamotto? The Ebony Blade? I really don’t know what to say to that. Rare when I see something so blatantly nonsensical put forward as a legit argument.

3. SPEED!!1!: He is faster than me—in theory at least. The hilarious part of his stance though? He never once even TRIED to use of his speed to his advantage in any way at all. He arrived, then was casting his mind into the hammer. I arrived, I teleported. There’s also the issue of him—again—showing a scan of Borg blitzing Superman WHILE HE WEARS THE YELLOW RINGS. We don’t know if Supes was even LOOKING at, or attending Borg. That SINGULAR SPEED scan is laughably inadequate, and in NO WAY AT ALL gives us any idea of how fast Borg actually is. SAYING he has Superman-esque stats=/=HAVING Superman-esque stats. He’d need to PROVE that with several more speed scans

But again, speed is a meaningless issue here. He does throw this tidbit out though, and I think it’s at least worth addressing, since I have time again:

quote:
Rather, he is operating at “THE SPEED OF THOUGHT” which Cyborg Superman and his Cyborg Army are DEFINITIVELY faster than.


That may SEEM like a wholly logical statement, but of course, we are dealing with COMICS, and as is so often the case, REAL WORLD logic often takes a backseat:

https://imgur.com/a/64eD6

We see the Supreme Intelligence cast his thoughts at FAR in excess of light speed, we see Monica defeated by the speed of thought, we see Magneto’s consciousness keeping up with Monica’s light form and we even see Loki himself attempting to keep up with the speed of his OWN thoughts—a speed “beyond all reckoning and swifter than lightning”. I also showed a non-canon scan of the ADJUDICATOR approaching Earth at far and away greater than ftl speeds. Didn’t think the canonicity was relevant to the idea that comics, in general, portray the speed of thought as faster (at times) than the speed of light. We’ve also seen telepaths like XAVIER cast their thoughts across the galaxy—so he could communicate with his beloved LILANDRA. DC has many examples to support the idea as well. SPEED OF THOUGHT can and HAS been portrayed as being FASTER than light. Logic be damned. It’s comics. thumb up

4. It would appear he wants you to think he can somehow cast his mind into Mjolnir, create his army, and obliterate me….BEFORE I teleport. no expression

Honestly (and again), I just…don’t really have any idea what to say about his line of argument. Of course, he never once addresses the issue of the limited amount of uru he has to work with in order to “create his army”. laughing out loud You almost have to admire his straight forward stick-to-itiveness—it makes no sense in the world, but….it is determined. Seriously, I’m not even entirely sure how to debate this. The hammer has…command circuitry? He can create an army from the head of the hammer…? He can do all these things AND obliterate me before I…teleport?

Whew. I just, I don’t--


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Leonidas Closing Part 2

CLOSING

Not much to say here, I guess. He never rebutted a single point aside from my speed which…I conceded and was never an issue in the battle anyway…? I guess he complained about my shield’s strength. A shield, on its own, capable of withstanding VOID pummeling it. The SAME shield I AMPED by casting it through Mjolnir, then doubled down on? Yeah, pretty confident in THAT shield’s strength. thumb up

Aside from that, well, ummm, everything I said and did in my first 2 posts stands, apparently uncontested in any meaningful way….? confused

I arrive, teleport, shield, find him, create duplicates to distract then I *POOF* him into my globe where Old King Loki and I kill him on the astral plane. I offered an alternative plan, regarding a combined psychic assault in combination with an astral attack but it would seem that isn’t really necessary since he never contested anything of worth in his rebuttal. In his defense, the BF was challenging for him—severely limiting his greatest weapon—his technopathy. With absolutely no tech around to take advantage of he was greatly neutered. But really, he should have known that going in and argued for a different BF when Damborg asked for ideas, or switched characters. Basically poor planning from beginning to end. /shrug

Just before I take my leave, I did want to show this scan, because I thought it was kind of cool, and again reinforces Loki’s ability to deal with machines:

https://imgur.com/a/9wwe4

Just not something we typically see from Loki, so thought it worth showing in case anyone thought he was entirely out of his element here in any way.

And that’s a wrap. Thanks judges and Damborg for your efforts, and LOB for…showing up…? confused You can keep your soul LOB. Henshaw’s is enough for me. thumb up


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RAGNAROK: REQUIEM FOR A REPROBATE




1.I hit the battlefield and teleport to the far side of the planet-sized BF He’s faster than I am but he isn’t attacking at light speed instantly to blitz me before I cast a teleport spell

Loki has NO FORCEFIELD at the beginning of this battle In order to TELEPORT Loki must first APPEAR and given the starting distance of the fight which has been set at .5 KILOMETERS AWAY FROM EACH OTHER

Cyborg has easily speedblitz Superman whose speed is on this level

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THAT IS SUPERMAN ACTING IN ATTO SECONDS AND YET HE WAS STILL BLITZED BY CYBORG

Loki has NO SHOWINGS depicting that level of speed that would protect him from a Speedblitz Also the speed of PERCEPTION necessary to Speedblitz someone with atto second reaction is key Loki is at a virtual STANDSTILL to Cyborg given the disparity in speed

Not only is Cyborg operating at this level of speed so are his Cyborgs All of whom are firing city leveling blasts NOW MAGNIFIED A 100 TIMES OVER by Mjolnir

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ADVANTAGE CYBORG

2.The instant I randomly reappear (on the opposite side of the planet) I raise a shield focused through Mjolnir

Loki is DEAD at Step 1 but I will entertain the notion of a second step

Cyborg has ALREADY seen Loki and had the time to create a Cyborg Army and fire an Extinction level Blast multiplied a 100 fold by his group That was BEFORE the disappearing act Now Loki has given Cyborg MORE TIME to create a larger army and fire off more blasts which are magnified through Mjolnir



https://imgur.com/a/CKHN3

The Cyborg and his army have already locked onto Loki and now they have more time to attack The forcefield created by Loki is NOT standing up to a Coast City destroying blast being magnified a 100X by different combatants

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

3.If he tries playing coy and doesn’t come to me, doesn’t matter. I can effortlessly locate him anywhere on the BF

Cyborg isn't hiding

A WASTED STEP

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

4. Whether he comes to me or I go to him doesn’t matter Once I know where he is, it will be game over First thing I do is cast some dupes of myself

There is an important distinction to be made about these Dupes being used here Unlike Thanosi or Doombots who have a significant degree of power in relation to Thanos and DOOM Loki’s DUPES are POWERLESS to do anything The level of speed and perception of The Cyborgs make this irrelevant as even a distraction much less a threat

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

5. Once I teleport behind him? Yep, I touch him and cast his consciousness/spirit/life force out of his body Where do I put it? In the globe with King Loki of course

Now the INFINITELY slower Loki is now going to “Teleport” behind Cyborg during all this chaos unscathed AND TOUCH Cyborg before he can react

LIES

This fails. First, Loki’s “Dupes” do nothing to Cyborg and his Cyborgs whatsoever to stop the assault Second Loki is not fast enough to touch Cyborg BEFORE he can react Third

CYBORG SUPERMAN IS A BEING UNIQUE IN ALL THE UNIVERSE

There are 2 instances that LEONIDAS wants you to take as Proof that Loki can Take control of Cyborg’s spirit

Darkseid This is easily refuted
DARKSEID IS A SKYFATHER
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darks...s_and_abilities

Darkseid utilized OMEGA BEAMS to remove Cyborg’s consciousness from his body!
Showing the UNBRIDLED POWER of Cyborg Darkseid had to use the Omega Beams TWICE because THIS is what happened the FIRST time he used them

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CYBORG TANKS THE OMEGA BEAM UNSCATHED

Loki DOES NOT possess this level of power even WITH Mjolnir
More importantly he would NEVER get the chance to attack ONCE much less TWICE

Boodikka CYBORG TOOK OVER BOODIKKA’S BODY

He was NEVER forced to have the consciousness removed from his body the way Loki is attempting here
The methods by which Darkseid was able to trap Cyborg’s consciousness CAN’T be done by Loki As mentioned BOODIKKA NEVER TOOK POSSESSION of
CYBORG’S CONSCIOUSNESS

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

6.The moment his soul is cast out, I transmute his defenseless body into snow
In short Loki isn’t transmuting Cyborg or his Cyborgs

CYBORG SUPERMAN HAS COMPLETE CONTROL OVER HIS BODY

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Cyborg’s ability to completely control his molecular structure dismisses ANY attempt at transmutation Since Cyborg bonded with MJOLNIR that power is now reinforced with the power of Uru.

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

7. Again ensconced behind my fields, I tell Mjolnir to ward off the OTHER Mjolnir, then travel myself, astrally, into the globe where I placed Henshaw’s consciousness where it becomes a 2 on 1 astral battle. Even in astral form Loki has immense power:

Cyborg has already BONDED with Mjolnir and has ALL the benefits The Cyborgs ALSO are made of Mjolnir. Loki has now LEFT Mjolnir on the field and FLED into a globe.

An UNPROTECTED globe which Cyborg OBLITERATES with Loki inside

ADVANTAGE CYBORG

Loki is DEAD before step 1 is EVER executed If you allow all 7 steps Cyborg’s ORIGINAL plan deals with each step effectively

OBJECTIONS

Leonidas can’t avoid any opportunity at DECEPTION
I will address his objections

1 He wants to merge with Mjolnir.
He can’t live in inanimate objects, he needs MACHINERY

For fear of stating the obvious—MJOLNIR IS NOT A MACHINE And given that he is not a Thunder God for the purposes of this tourney he doesn’t have access to Mother Storm related feats which means HIS Mjolnir is NOT sentient either. IE—it’s a magical, INANIMATE object

Leonidas senses the end and is now trying to escape
This objection is BASELESS.
FIRST
Mjolnir is not INANIMATE but SENTIENT.

2

Cyborg Superman IS WORTHY of wielding Mjolnir and as such has ALL the benefits of the hammer The ONLY restriction is spellcasting as Cyborg is not a mage
The retcon CLEARLY establishes that Mjolnir has ALWAYS been sentient so that means ALL the depictions of Mjolnir prior involved a sentient hammer Second the RULES make ALL wielders WORTHY by default and therefore Cyborg AND The Cyborgs are Worthy as well

Just in case some of you judges are SOMEHOW inclined to agree with Leonidas objection on the grounds of Mjolnir being “INANIMATE” I will end the argument DEFINITIVELY

CYBORG CAN CONTROL INANIMATE OBJECTS
http://comicsalliance.com/files/201...mp;a=t&q=89
You may argue it is merely a statement Here is UNDENIABLE PROOF
http://i.imgur.com/nNUGc95.jpg

The CANON and RULES of the Tournament have Mjolnir as sentient and Cyborg as being worthy to utilize the hammer according to the specified plan Even if you find Mjolnir to be “Inanimate” Cyborg STILL executes everything according to plan
OBJECTION DENIED

The CONCESSIONS
Leonidas has ALREADY conceded several of my advantages BEFORE I even posted the FLAWLESS attack plan of Cyborg

Speed
He’s faster than I am but he isn’t attacking at light speed instantly to blitz me before I cast a teleport spell
Leonidas thought wrong Cyborg and his Cyborgs DID SPEEDBLITZ and lightspeed ISN’T required to hit Loki who has NO FORCEFIELD .5 Kilometers away

Adaptability
or come up with some way to adapt his own weapons to find me by calculating my bio-frequency or something like that, but both those things will take a small amount of time
It takes NO TIME for Cyborg to adapt, here is proof
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Repeatedly Leonidas ASKS FOR MORE TIME to negate Cyborg ’s advantages in Speed, adaptability, and versatility There is NOTHING he has provided for Loki that gives HIM the necessary time

THE DEATHBLOW
Any advantage Loki has comes down to one thing..
MAGIC

There is a MAJOR Problem where that is concerned with Cyborg and by extension his Cyborgs

CYBORG IS IMMUNE TO MAGIC

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The JLA Watchtower set protocols SPECIFICALLY for Kryptonian DNA powered by magic from 2 of the most powerful mages Dr. Fate and Zatanna.
Dr. Fate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docto...s_and_abilities
Zatanna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zatan...s_and_abilities

If Loki WERE to touch Cyborg with the expectation that his MAGIC would work all he would receive in return is DEATH

Conclusion
Judges, I have allowed for EVERY scenario argued by Leonidas for Loki to win and each time I’ve proven that Loki FAILS. In order to vote for Leonidas you must allow for the following

That Mjolnir IS NOT SENTIENT and therefore can’t be utilized by Cyborg

Despite being WORTHY by default as specified by the tournament Mjolnir is merely a melee weapon for Cyborg and he is BARRED from its other properties

Loki is not only FASTER than the Speed of Thought but also FASTER than Cyborg and his cyborgs who share his EXACT capabilities

That Cyborg is NOT immune to magic. For those against a No limit fallacy the scan CLEARLY indicates a level of resistance that ends up with Loki dead as he touches Cyborg

Loki dies in the first UNPROTECTED BLASTS delivered by Cyborg and his Cyborgs


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Wow, where to begin with this? I'm more familiar with Loki than I am with Cyborg SM but Leo posted some scans that I've never seen before (good job there). As to my verdict, IMHO Cyborg Superman wins.

My reasoning, Leo posted some excellent scans of Loki soul phucking various beings and had that as one avenue of attack he can use against Cyborg SM. The thing is, as LoB mentioned, a) is resistant to magic (even if you don't believe he's 100% immune, he doesn't have to be for the sake of this competition) and b) the level of magic he resisted is easily on par with what Loki is capable of bringing to the table (Zatanna, Dr. Fate, Darkseid). I believe Cyborg SM can resist any attempt by Loki to attack or displace his soul. This is bad news for Loki because I believe this is or was his best bet in taking out Cyborg Superman.

Leo's other line of attack centered on the fact that Loki can transmute matter and would use this to turn Cyborg Superman into a pile of snow (or whatever else he felt like). There's two problems with this. First, Cyborg Superman is resistant to magic (he doesn't have to be 100% immune for the sake of this battle). And more importantly, Cyborg Superman has COMPLETE control over the molecules of his body. This entire line of attack by Loki is doomed to fail before it even begins.

Next up I want to address the whole Mjolnir merging thing. I was actually on Leo's side here till LoB : a) posted a scan of Cyborg binding with inanimate objects that aren't sentient and b) and correctly pointed out that for the sake of the thread he's ALREADY worthy of Mjolnir (and hence it's powers)!

Now as to how I believe Cyborg Superman wins. Let's face it, Cyborg SM's physical stats sh|t all over Loki's. Cyborg SM just needs to put his hands on Loki and it's lights out. Given his MASSIVE travel AND combat speed advantage this isn't some far fetched idea. Even if Loki bubbles up, how much damage do you think it can withstand before it goes down? As impressive as the shield Loki put up to stop the Void is, how long do you think it can withstand multiple attacks at light speed from multiple Superman class beings (Cyborg SM and his clones)? I'd be everything I have he'd get through in no time and then slaughter Loki.


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So. This was quite the interesting match, led by two really good debaters, manning two very good (and different) characters.

The epitome of tech vs magic.

LoB, there was some pretty ropey debating at some points. 'Mjolnir has circuitry, to distribute commands through its system'? No.

Am also concerned that, whilst you have a speed advantage - blitzing isn't the BEST way of showing it. However, in MY understanding, Mjolnir is sentient, and LoB has access to its feats.

Leo, sound(ish) plan. You have the versatility here, and that snowglobe is pretty damn haxx. Calling on the help of Old King Loki was clever, and whilst I would question if it was allowed to 'summon' his aid, this is a trivial point, and I think on balance he'll be fine (and an asset on the battlefield).

HOWEVER.

However.....

LoB has shown in the very last post that he is immune to magic. Which negates all of Leo's plans. He has also shown throughout his posts that Cyborg Supes clearly has the speed advantage.

In short, I do not think Leo has the speed to teleport away, nor the ability to extract LoB's consciousness from Mjolnir. In the first few seconds of the match, he will likely die from LoB's multiplied blasts. Furthermore, even if he DID manage to get away from LoB, he's not replicating Boodika's, or worse, Darkseid's showing with the Omega Effect.

This is assuming LoB's magic immunity isn't a double-edged sword, however. He can't have it both ways. Either he's immune to magic (and Leo), and thus, by extension, Mjolnir....or he isn't. A third way is to assume he's not immune to his own magic - but I saw zero proof of this.

You know what was funny? All this arguing about sentience and what not - and LoB never ONCE showed Cyborg Superman controlling a SENTIENT being. I personally know the showings are out there, but LoB did not show them. Nor did Leo capitalise on this, however.

This is how I see the match going.

Ding, the bell rings.

LoB/Hank attempts to merge with Mjolnir. Can he merge? Maybe, maybe not..
Meanwhile, Leo is just standing there. LoB is far faster than him.

The problem with these fights - and with me, I guess - is that it comes down, to me, to a quickdraw.

Hank is by far the faster, and more importantly, can change his tactics to fit the situation.

However, LoB did not press on this. He put his eggs into one basket - merging, then firing blasts, whilst Leo is, whilst slower, focussed on escaping.

With that said.....more proof of Hank's magic immunity would have been nice. A synthetic (i.e. non-natural; the exact opposite of Loki's) version of magic is not in any way shape or form comparable to what Loki can bear. Especially if it means he cannot merge with Mjolnir, a sentient being, and use its properties, which he's supposedly immune to.

All in all, despite Leo's slowness, I give him the win. Showing the blitzing is not proof of Henshaw's attosecond + reflexes - we have all seen characters tagging others. Especially when you scale off Superman, and scale off a 'numbers' scan.

Leo's plan is slower - but LoB did not take advantage of it. Boodika managed to fight him on the astral plane (essentially) - despite her being more machine than flesh (as per Hank's words).

In addition, I am also writing further text down here just in case people skip to the end, rather than read my judgement. I took time on this, people!

It was a very good match, and I enjoyed reading both of them. To be fair, it was a win by a whisker, but it was enough. I like both posters, I really do - but there can be only one winner.


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Philosophía wrote:
So.

Leo's first actions:
- instantly teleport
- shield

Lob's first actions:
- merge with Mjolnir
- multiply himself
- amp his blast through Mjolnir(s) and kill Loki

I believe that LoB didn't conclusively prove a large speed advantage [bullrushing [with yellow rings!] =/= Superman's attosecond level pereception]. But I do believe he has the speed advantage based solely on being [halfish] kryptonian and 'speed of thought' being whatever the writer wants it that day. But this doesn't matter, since LoB clearly doesn't go for the speedblitz at the start...he wants to merge and make sweet love with Mjolnir, until little-hammers are produced. Leo will teleport away.

I believe that LoB didn't prove that he can merge with Mjolnir. The source wall was clearly stated to be 'circuit' like, while the hammer wasn't shown to be. The 'sentient being' discussion went nowhere. Where is the evidence of Henshaw merging with consciousness? Even if he could merge himself, Thor's hammer is small [har har]. He doesn't have the material to multiply.

Now, as for amping his energy attack, uhh... [*pretends to know nothing about it*] I opened the scan of his 'city destroying blast' and it says that there are 77,000 individual explosions? Maybe there's something more there *winks profoundly* but since Leo didn't say anything, I'll take it for granted. We do see him blowing holes through Eradicator anyway, so that's quite the firepower he has.

Afterwards:

Leo tracks him down, spams illusions, and steals his soul.

I do think that LoB did a good job countering the 'spirit' stealing. Darkseid' OBs needed to be at full power to trap his consciousness and actually failed the first time at less. Then there's also the scan of him having very strong resistance [I'll not grant total immunity] to Zatanna and Fate type of magic, each of who is at least Loki-level. His complete control over his body also is a good counter over what matter manip Leo might try.

If not for the multiple illusions, I'd have said that Loki ports to Cyborg, and when the touch encounters resistance, he gets blasted to defeat. But in the moments before Henshaw pin-points who to hit, I feel Loki would have time to teleport away and regroup.

And that's where the Tribunal scan comes in. The Loki(s) would then start going for the mental attacks [as Leo points out, in case the spirit throwing doesn't work] and LoB would lose.

This was...really, really close. I was a hair's breadth away from giving it to LoB due to touch-fail. But, as it is, Leo wins due to 2nd wind.


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