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3D printed gun "controversy": What the news isn't telling you.

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A legal agreement between the U.S. government and a gun rights organization is setting the stage for the latest skirmish in the wars over gun rights and gun control. The agreement allows the group Defense Distributed to host a collection of files online that can be downloaded and, with the help of a 3D printer, can print the necessaryparts to build working firearms.

Numerous states are now rushing to ban their residents from downloading the files. Even the President of the United States weighed in. But the truth here is a little murkier than the headlines.

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Here's the first thing you need to know: These files are the instructions sets for 3D printing items that are legally considered firearms. But in reality, what they add up to falls far short of an actual, workable gun.


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When most people think of the word "firearms," they picture complete rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers. Load them with ammunition, pull the trigger, and they fire. But there’s another definition of "firearm."

Rather than just buying a whole weapon at a gun store, many gun enthusiasts like to build their guns from the ground up from a collection of parts. Of course, the government must regulate these homemade guns, which is why it classifies their receivers—basically the frame that holds the key parts—as a type of firearm. After all, without the frame you can’t build your firearm.


Defense Distributed’s controversial files are designed to 3D-print receivers. What comes out of the 3D printer isn't a working weapon, but something that still must be mated to bolts, barrels, trigger groups, stocks, and other necessary parts before it ever fires a bullet. Defense Distributed’s Liberator pistol design is perhaps the closest thing to a complete printable firearm, but the enthusiast must still source key parts such as a metal tube for a barrel and a nail for a firing pin.

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The First Amendment vs. the Second
The U.S. government recognizes the right of citizens to build their own firearms, and all of these parts are readily available in gun shops or online, as they always have been. So all of this is perfectly legal. Where Defense Distributed and the government clashed is over the ability of people in foreign countries to download the files.

For example, the government’s International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) statute prohibits the transfer of weapons technology abroad without express permission. Hosting the files online allows anyone around the world to download them—a no-no under ITAR.


Defense Distributed, on the other hand, claimed that the government violated the First Amendment by preventing them from uploading the files. The State Department, which oversees arms exports, has now decided that the files are exempt from ITAR. Defense Distributed is free to share the files online.

The agreement has gun control groups and state and local officials up in arms. “The federal government is trying to allow access to online plans that will allow anyone to anonymously build their own downloadable, untraceable, and undetectable gun,” Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey wrote in a letter to U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

The state of Pennsylvania won a temporary agreement from Defense Distributed to prevent its citizens from downloading the files. The head of the Brady Campaign called the State Department’s decision “bitterly disappointing.” President Trump himself entered the fray, muddying the waters with his own misunderstanding of the issue. (The receivers are neither for sale nor are the resulting guns entirely made of plastic.)


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Receivers like those in the Defense Distributed case are freely available right now on the open market—and unregulated—because they are “80 percent parts.” That is to say they are about 80 percent of a working firearm, requiring a person to have only a drill press or hand tools, and the requisite DIY skills, to finish the remaining 20 percent.

Building a gun this way from parts already on the market is much easier and cheaper than the new and controversial 3D printing method. I once did it in my own kitchen, and the result is a much more reliable, durable firearm than you'd get from 3D-printed parts. Frankly, 3D printing gun parts is the most complicated way for a criminal to get his hands on a firearm, after stealing a gun from a legal gun owner, buying a gun on the black market, and finishing an 80 percent receiver.

We should absolutely be careful about anything that makes it easier and quicker for people to get their hands on guns. We don't know whether Defense Distributed's file sharing will lead to a meaningful bump in 3D-printed gun crimes, but criminals smart enough to 3D print their own guns are also smart enough to see the shortcomings in the process and find another way to get them. Despite all the fire and fury of the past week, over the long term it’s likely the files will be much more useful to tinkerers and hobbyists operating within the law.




The politicians have started fear mongering about 3d printed guns being used in school shootings. I doubt they're that ignorant, so my guess is the gun parts manufacturers are scrambling to protect their profit margins, and capitalizing on the fact elections are coming to draft their little army of political "spin-doctors".


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Good ole NRA once again protecting the profit margins of the Gun Industry at the expense of our rights/freedom.


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Good ole NRA once again protecting the profit margins of the Gun Industry at the expense of our rights/freedom.


Which "right" are you referring to here?


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The ones that give me the right to download free schematics and use my 3D printer, those rights.

Why do you suddenly hate freedom now?


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Can we also print 3D Ammo?


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The ones that give me the right to download free schematics and use my 3D printer, those rights.

Why do you suddenly hate freedom now?


Surt must be a commie. laughing out loud

I just like how they keep pretending we can print out entire guns, instead of just key parts that need other key parts, that have all been legally available everywhere before 3d printers were a thing. In other words, the 3d printing of fames is no more or less of a problem then traditionally assembling a gun from bought parts.

I'm no expert, so perhaps this really is an issue, but that certainly isn't what the rhetoric suggests. To listen to the talking heads, you'd think you can print out working assault rifles start shooting.


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Who needs a gun when you can just throw rocks at people.


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Surt must be a commie. laughing out loud

I just like how they keep pretending we can print out entire guns, instead of just key parts that need other key parts, that have all been legally available everywhere before 3d printers were a thing. In other words, the 3d printing of fames is no more or less of a problem then traditionally assembling a gun from bought parts.

I'm no expert, so perhaps this really is an issue, but that certainly isn't what the rhetoric suggests. To listen to the talking heads, you'd think you can print out working assault rifles start shooting.


The Republican party is for the most part a toadie to the NRA.

This is the NRA saying: "You have every right to arm yourselves and exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, unless the gun industry stands to lose money." Trump of course is backing the NRA's position.

Truth be told, this isn't a serious threat right now, but in the future where this technology improves, entire guns (or the parts thereof) could be printed and there's little to no way of tracking that. Meaning criminals/terrorist could potentially more easily arm themselves and people should be concerned over that. But the NRA isn't concerned about that aspect at all, they're looking at that future and the potential for millions (billions?) in revenue to be lost by the gun industry and they're trying to curb it in its infancy.


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The ones that give me the right to download free schematics and use my 3D printer, those rights.

Why do you suddenly hate freedom now?


I don't hate it, but you do realize the NRA isn't the only one against this, right? Plenty of leftists are too. Just confirm you're aware of this fact.

EDIT: In fact, I first heard about this controversy not because of the NRA...but because people on the left were whining over it.

So wait, the NRA and the left agree on something?


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I don't hate it, but you do realize the NRA isn't the only one against this, right? Plenty of leftists are too. Just confirm you're aware of this fact.

EDIT: In fact, I first heard about this controversy not because of the NRA...but because people on the left were whining over it.

So wait, the NRA and the left agree on something?


The "Leftist" being against this isn't a surprise to anyone as they're sticking to their established points on gun regulation.

Now the NRA and "Muh 2nd Mend'ment!" types, they're conveniently flipping. Trump's backing them. It's not a "but der terrorist!" concern, it's a "but my profit margins!" concern.


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The "Leftist" being against this isn't a surprise to anyone as they're sticking to their established points on gun regulation.

Now the NRA and "Muh 2nd Mend'ment!" types, they're conveniently flipping. Trump's backing them. It's not a "but der terrorist!" concern, it's a "but my profit margins!" concern.


So just to be clear: you disagree with the left and feel this should be allowed, correct?


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I think it should fall under current gun regulation laws. If I'm allowed to legally whittle a rifle stock out of a block of Arizona Black Walnut, why not be able to print one?

I do see the concern in the future though, where this technology has progressed and people should be thinking about it; what could/should be done. But the NRA and their staunch "we need less regulations!" 2nd Amendment stance should be all for this right now.

Do you love Trump and the NRA so much you can't smell their hypocrisy here?


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I think it should fall under current gun regulation laws. If I'm allowed to legally whittle a rifle stock out of a block of Arizona Black Walnut, why not be able to print one?

I do see the concern in the future though, where this technology has progressed and people should be thinking about it; what could/should be done. But the NRA and their staunch "we need less regulations!" 2nd Amendment stance should be all for this right now.

Do you love Trump and the NRA so much you can't smell their hypocrisy here?


So you disagree with the left. Gotcha thumb up


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This is the reason why almost no one tries to have an intellectually honest convo with you, you always act the clown when you feel your safety bubble is threatened. Oh well, I tried.


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This is the reason why almost no one tries to have an intellectually honest convo with you, you always act the clown when you feel your safety bubble is threatened. Oh well, I tried.


You're so butthurt you can't even disagree with your own side, but you still want me to call Trump and the NRA hypocrites, and then you whine and try to act like you're being intellectually honest lol.

Was your post satire? I hope so. It's great satire. It's batshit insane if it's anything other than you f*cking around lol.


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I have literally said I disagree, repeat: I said it should fall under current gun laws and I gave an example of someone else making their own parts and it being legal as support as to why. But I also noted why this should be a concern as technology progresses; that's just a fact of technology.

So either you're doing your usual shitshow routine whenever Trump and the NRA does something you can't defend or you can't read/comprehend so well. Either way, have fun eating your own feces.


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I have literally said I disagree, repeat: I said it should fall under current gun laws and I gave an example of someone else making their own parts and it being legal as support as to why.

So either you're doing your usual shitshow routine whenever Trump and the NRA does something you can't defend or you can't read/comprehend so well. Either way, have fun eating your own feces.


You kinda weaseled around outright saying it though, but good now you said it. Baby steps.

And yep the NRA are being hypocrites. Hypocrisy abounds in each party. Awful sad


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Still the clown. Thanks for proving my point.


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Still the clown. Thanks for proving my point.


Whatever helps you cope.


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