I don't think some people realise how powerful current Spider-Man actually is. Beyond the fact that he is, pound for pound, probably one of the physically strongest living characters currently in the MCU at this point (being able to support things like bell towers, ferris wheels, catching jet bridges, yanking over large construction cranes, redirecting cargo planes etc.), he's also easily one of the fastest, most agile and arguably among the most durable (how many MCU characters can sleep off a direct hit from a bullet train?), and can keep fighting while literally all his physical senses are being drowned out by illusions and crap.
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That's assuming she can land a clean strike on him before getting webbed up and tasered or just physically overpowered. I mean are there any feats to suggest that movie Alita is in the same strength class as Peter?
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This fight isn’t determined for a second by strength, it’s determined by speed and agility which she is faster and just as agile, maybe even more so. Her blade has to touch him once and it’s over with.
She flat leaped across a defensive matrix which the vertical jump and forward movement must of been 30ft up and then cleared it as it was spiraling towards her and she cleared it,
And Spidey once he got his Tingle dodged thousands of rounds of missiles and bullets while basically blind and in a hallucination. He's faster, more agile, stronger, more durable.
Why are you using noob Spider-Man to represent current Spider-Man who, by feats, is stronger, faster, more agile, more experienced, more skilled and has a better Spider-suit than he did when he fought Cap?
And no, she really isn't faster or more agile than current Spidey:
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A faster more agile Spider-Man with more experience couldn’t dodge sense a banana from a minor distraction.
Alita solo’d an entire bar full of experienced bounty hunters. As well as soloing the race track bounty hunters in a situation she had never been in before.
Spider-Man far from home scenes and situations are honesty abysmal compared to her feats.
She literally fought on the moon and wiped the floor with anyone she encountered. There isn’t a single situation she countered with her new body that she didn’t absolutely wreck anyone she encountered.
She even busted people ass in her fragile suit.
On top of it no one here has taken in account her healing factor and people are completely ignoring how powerful her sword is.
So, you are going to ignore his actual in combat showings for a sequence that was clearly meant for gags? What's more, at that point in the film Peter was not on his A-Game. That's the entire point of him wanting to go on vacation. To get his head clear while dealing with his grief over Tony. Also, you realise his Spider-Sense reacts to danger, right? Not his harmless aunt.
Mostly featless bounty hunters. And she fought on the moon? So, what? Spider-Man basically spent most of IW and EG doing the same thing (fighting in space and against alien armies). And he actually did it against characters and armies with screen feats.
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Also, I don't see how virtually solo'ing a Stark-tech drone army (who was packing machine guns, missiles and energy weapons), controlled by a highly intelligent supervillain, while battling through a bunch of holographic illusions is "abysmal" relative to what Alita did onscreen.
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Dude, that's an incredibly misleading description of what happened. He got beaten the very first time, when he had no idea what he was going up against. When he literally could not see or even hear who he was supposed to be fighting or even where he was, while constantly being bombarded by a changing environment. I mean exactly what suggests Alita would have done any better? When has she shown the ability to see through complex illusions? What suggests she wouldn't have been outright killed in that same initial encounter? Also, once Pete got his shit together after the pep talk from Happy, he took care of business.
In comparison, I can make an argument, via feats, for Spider-Man clearing a bar or track full of random bounty hunters, or fighting fodder on some moon.
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The movie was abysmal and his feats were unimpressive besides 30 seconds of battling drones with spider sense.
Alita had 2+ hours of feats that put his one decent showing to shame.
And your still forgetting about her healing factor.
She can move faster, jump higher and is more agile that Spifer,an, this isn’t even debatable. Her insane fighting skills known as the lost battle art, plus her body and healing factor and her sword that can cut through basically anything puts him down hard. He can’t judge dodge her forever.
It’s like saying a Superman can’t hit Spider-Man because of spider senses. Superman would connect with him every single time.
You keep saying that. Which of her feats objectively shows her being faster or more agile? Shows her being faster than a guy that can flip between individual tracer rounds being fired at point blank? Post them. And that's not even getting into Pete's feats from other films.
And she has a healing factor with one feat of healing a cut, IIRC. Not bad. But by no means some insurmountable advantage.
Superman would casually punch Alita's head off her body before she even knew what was happening, so please don't try and compare her to him.
But okay. Here we go. This guy breaks down some numbers for the bullet train feat at around 1:50:
You used this showing against Peter to claim he got his ass kicked. So, post a quantifiable screen feat for Alita that shows she can survive that kind of impact head on. Post an actual instance where she took and survived a hit that was objectively comparable to that one. Because, otherwise, as I said, she wouldn't even have made it to the final FFH battle.
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