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UK anti-Bush letters spark outrage

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LONDON, England (Reuters) -- A pro-Kerry letter-writing campaign by Britain's left-leaning Guardian newspaper, targeting undecided U.S. voters, has provoked outrage across the Atlantic.

The paper has encouraged its readers to express their opinions on the November 2 presidential election to voters in the key swing state of Ohio -- to the fury of Clark County, about 45 miles west of Columbus, the state capital.

"Hey England, Scotland and Wales, mind your own business. We don't need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidential election," was one of the e-mail reactions to the campaign.

The Fox national cable television network tore into the newspaper and even John Kerry's own Democrats expressed horror at the campaign.

"We all feel it is not a good idea. I think it was unwise. It is so poorly thought-out," said Sharon Manitta, spokeswoman in Britain for Democrats Abroad.

But the newspaper, whose cartoons regularly portray President George W. Bush as a semi-literate ape, was unrepentant.

"We did consult a number of opinions and made our decision accordingly," assistant features editor Paul MacInnes told Reuters. "It has been an operation to give our readers an opportunity to express their opinions."

With just two weeks to go before the election, Kerry is running neck and neck with Republican incumbent Bush.

Ohio is a key swing state which Bush won by just four percentage points in 2000, and Clark County is at its heart.

The campaign is a bid to sway voters on the county's electoral register who have declared themselves undecided.

As of Monday night, more than 14,000 people had registered to write to a voter in Clark County, which has a population of just 143,000.

Individuals like film director Ken Loach, spy writer John Le Carre, historian Antonia Fraser and opposition Liberal Democratic parliamentarian Menzies Campbell have all written in their own capacity -- not that their names necessarily carry much weight in Clark.

The Guardian, which simply bought a list of registered voters and extracted the undecided, pledged that it would only give out the name of each voter once, to avoid them being swamped by unsolicited mail from complete strangers.

"We know that in many ways this is the world's election, and we understand the passion and concern in many parts of the world over it. But I wonder how people here in the UK would react to Americans telling them how to vote," Democrats Abroad's Manitta said.

"This will certainly garner more votes for George Bush. I have strongly advised other media entities who have come to me and suggested this against doing so," she added.

While some e-mails to the Guardian from Democrats in Ohio were supportive, others suggested the campaign was misguided.

But their mild admonitions paled into insignificance against the more reactionary views received by the paper.

"Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with you own worthless corner of it," wrote one from Texas.


Source http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...reut/index.html


All i can say damn right. I mean us Brits are entilted to our opinion but i dont think we have the right to force it onto other people by sending letters.

I think the eiditor of the Guardian should be sacked because i think he should have tried to stay impartial.


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What right do the British have in an AMERICAN presidential race? We do not impose our opinions on parliamentary elections. Don't get me wrong I love the British but they need to leave well enough alone. I for one hope that Tony Blair should be Prime Minister for life but I have no say in that election so I stay out of it.


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Well if America didnt stick their nose in everyone's business, maybe noone would care.

But since we are allies, and you're wanting out soldiers to go fight, then we have the goddamned right to speak out about who gets ellected!


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I think foreign media can give their opinion on whatever they damn well please, but getting ppl to mail complete strangers to ask them to vote one way or another is a bad idea ALWAYS

altho in belgium there are certain rules for the media to follow.


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That's dumb, and anyone got a letter from them and took it seriously is even dumber, toss them in the trash where they belong.


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Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well if America didnt stick their nose in everyone's business, maybe noone would care.

But since we are allies, and you're wanting out soldiers to go fight, then we have the goddamned right to speak out about who gets ellected!


I agree with you Milla yes

Also, Jedi, why would you want Blair to be PM for life?? Madness.......


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In the world today, what happens in one country can affect the whole world. So of course people in other countries are well within their rights to have opinions about the election here, especially with the war in Iraq going on right now and all that. But pushing opinions on others isn't cool, no matter the situation.


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In the world today, what happens in one country can affect the whole world. So of course people in other countries are well within their rights to have opinions about the election here, especially with the war in Iraq going on right now and all that. But pushing opinions on others isn't cool, no matter the situation.


Aren't we supposed to nations united? roll eyes (sarcastic)


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Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Well if America didnt stick their nose in everyone's business, maybe noone would care.

But since we are allies, and you're wanting out soldiers to go fight, then we have the goddamned right to speak out about who gets ellected!
I love your country. ok? We did not tell you to get involved with our cause you volanteered your help, which we Apreciate greatly. Do you wish Sadam was still in power? Come on folks the only reason this thread was started was to bash America. I have said repeatedly that I love British. I just feel that when it comes down to it the US gets a bad RAP.


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Originally posted by jedijunky1138
I love your country. ok? We did not tell you to get involved with our cause you volanteered your help, which we Apreciate greatly. Do you wish Sadam was still in power? Come on folks the only reason this thread was started was to bash America. I have said repeatedly that I love British. I just feel that when it comes down to it the US gets a bad RAP.


This thread was started to bash the US?? Don't be ridiculous........

Well, bully for ash007 then, due for a serious @ss whooping from most KMC members I'd wager roll eyes (sarcastic)

No, you never actually asked us verbally, well, you didn't, but I'm sure it was suggested at some point.


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Originally posted by jedijunky1138
]I just feel that when it comes down to it the US gets a bad RAP.


Maybe because it has been sticking its huge-ass nose in everything? The U.S. needs to lay off. And the British wanted to help? I think you mean "Tony Blair wanted to help". roll eyes (sarcastic) And him, Prime Minister, for life...? You've got to be kidding me.

Oh, and don't tell me you love my country, because I live in Texas.


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wasn't talking to you mike. What You moving to the UK?


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haha

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I'm American and I don't really care if the paper is British or not, if a British paper wants to report on the American election there's nothing wrong with that. But I think that telling people to vote for one candidate is wrong for any paper. Even if they lean towards one side, they shouldn't just come out and say 'vote for Kerry in Ohio'. I can't say I know a whole lot about politics but thats just my 2 cents.

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I think its a jolly good idea chaps!

They need to give me the address of a Ohioan hillbilly!
I'll send them a letter they'll never forget!


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jolly good show tex!
like us british i think you should keep a stiff upper lip old chaps
now how about we have a nice cup of tea with some biscuits


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yeah blink


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The reason why the US gets a bad rap is because they illegally invaded another country, any country that does that gets a bad rap


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a paper can influence and ask of people to vote for a certain member, there is nothing wrong with that... you have more than intelligence enough to comply or not to their wishes, you're not a 4 year old that needs a hand with everything

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I think its ironic that some people here think they have the right to tell someone they don't have the right to do something...


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