it was aimed at the post that it is too late to change your mind about jesus and god when you are dead, my reply was a joke about what if there was a heaven and a chrisitian wanted to change his mind after he was dead, he 3wanted to go to hell cause iot sounded more fun
Its an interesting concept, God a villain, and you know what they say, the victor writes the history. Maybe Satan was a noble rebel, trying to over throw some manner of corrupt religious government.....
But a bad guy really. Hmmm. He creates a universe full of evil, but doesn't support it. We assume he could stop it if he wished, but doesn't as it is a part of some bigger picture. Ergo he is a manipulator of Machiavellian magnitude. I don't actually think, if God exists, that he/she/it is evil, but rather morally ambiguous, and as unsatisfying as it sounds, not really bound to our concepts of right and wrong.
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interesting thesis
well, if god exists i dont think he'd be bound to what we know as right and wrong, either.... but why? what would he relate to when making decisions....?
the problem is that Matthew was written long after the fact.... history shows that Pilate, far from being the hand washer of matthew, was ruthless and vindictive... however, when the church became centred on Rome anti-Roman elements of the Gospels were watered down... so we have jews screaming for a man to be crucified for religious crimes, and the Roman governor saying, "I'll have none of it..." To have been crucified, the Romans must have considered jesus a threat to Rome... a rebel or terrorist.... the jews could not have demanded a crucifixion for religious reasons.... The Jews themselves thought jesus was there to lead a revolution against the Romans.... a lot of the Gospels is unhistoric... for instance, the so-called tradition of freeing a criminal for Passover... nowhere in contemporary records is this mentioned... except in the Gospels... and there is good evidence that the bar Rabbi (or Barrabus to give him his Romanised name) that the Jews shouted their support for, was Jesus himself.... jesus was the son of a rabbi ("carpenter being first century aramaic slang for "Rabbi...")
God is not a "bad guy". He is the Creator. In the beginning, he created man, but he did not create man without a will. Man chose to disobey God and that is the reason why the world is in the state that it is in...it was man's choice to bring evil on himself, not God.
Why is it that everything good that happens is because of "God's will" and everything bad that happens isn't...It's because "God gave us free will and we led ourselves to that moment"...
No, God is not a bad God. We have choices in life, we are not his robots. He made us to fellowship w/him, we have a choice rather or not we want to or not.
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We indeeed have free will (maybe)
But that doesn'T have anything to do with God. I think both the good as weel as the bad things are partly created by men and by nature.
We have free will...the labels we put on things are created by man..The thing we call god, or entity or spirit or nature is a creative force and we are also parts of a creative force...It's our choice...no coercion to do one or the other besides your own conscious....It's supposed to be a learning thing...listening to your conscious...some just don't learn much.
God must be the ultimate aspect of reality, it must trancend every definable concept like good or evil. If we could reduce god to one of this concepts he would be a limited god.
Yes...the god/or what ever you want to call it...it the "all there is", including us...It's the ultimate energy creative force....no judgements...just creative force...
Also know as the "Law of Attaction"....It's attracted to ourselves and our thoughts...you attract what you think about....It's a creative force.
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