It doesnt work like that NJ why would this simple guardian, equal phoenix? Your whole argument is based on assumptions. If Unicron fears the power of creation then you've got the answer to this thread right there for you. Phoenix is the primal force of creation who made all that is, who maintains creation, before being the one who destroys it all. Phoenix is also the one with all that is. Creation is a part of her she is its life essence.
It can just like he was able to kill Primus who basically was creation at the time they are equals in the transformer universe. The ultimate power on creation and the ultimate power of destruction are equals yet completely opposite. Since the Matrix houses the power of all creation it is the only thing left that can defeat him. This is why he is always scheming to destroy it because with it goes any fear of defeat he has.
Well then you know he's no match for phoenix then dont you if he fears the power of creation. It is your assumption tha he is the primal force of destruction it hasnt actually been stated in the comics so you dont no if he is phoenixes opposite. In marvel phoenix doesnt have an opposite because it embodies both the power to create and the power to destroy. Thats why it is the beginning of all things and the end of all things.
The reason Primus would equal Phoenix is because is a part of creation as well but is also it's guardion since Unicron wants to destroy it. He is creation because he was able to pack all the powers of creation into object.
Primus very well could destroy creation and Unicron could very well make creation but that isn't the roles they have.
Either way unicron fears the power of creation. Phoenix has the power of creation and embodies both creation and destruction. You could even stretch it and say phoenix is lke primus and unicron rolled into one lol. In marvel phoenix is second to TOAA. That should be enough for you.
In their comics Unicron and Primus have never been shown to be second to anybody that should be enough for you.
Yes the force of creation can hurt him just like he can destroy creation. It is the one reason he doesn't destroy creation now. Since all the power of creation which equals the power of Primus can hurt him. He waits schemeing and trying to manipulate other peope to destroy the Matrix so nothing can stand in it's way.
It isn't that he can be outright defeated by it but that it is the only thing possible that can beat him. Even if it is used against him there's no guarantee it will work. But since it has the power to he would rather have it removed by someone else then take the risk.
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Yes it is possible that it can defeat him.
OK I guess I haven't done a good job of explaining this.
The primal force of creation equals Primus who Unicron killed. Unicron was also hurt in this fight so he couldn't outright destroy creation after that. This gave Primus enough time to put all his power into the form of the Matrix so that creation could still protect itself.
Now Unicron is equal to Primus's power so there is no guarntee Unicron could defeat creation without loosing. So instead of taking the risk he would rather have someone else take care of it so he doesn't to deal with it.
Primus's soul is in the Matrix the very power of creation itself. Primus is creation or it's manifestation however you which to place it. Although Unicron is just as powerful as Primus but instead of using his power to create he destroys.
Phoenix cant be killed it is beyond death. Creation is a creation of phoenix of phoenix it is not the be all and end all of phoenix. Phoenix makes creation plus its one with it all. Phoenix embodies both creation and destruction. Not just destruction like Unicron or creation like primus. Of course unicron and primus are second to something. Have you forgotten about God? Who do you think created Unicron? TOAA is God in Marvel.
OK Galactic Primus and Unicron are equal in power and can do eachother's role but it isn't thier nature. Unicron wishes to destroy instead of create. How do you know phoenix can not die only because it is creation and therefore can't die. Listen Unicron has destroyed all of creation before.
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