Maul would have defeated Obi were it not for his arrogance, yes. But admit it, Obi had Maul on his back, and had him retreating for the beginning of the fight. Maul actually gained no ground. He stood and was forced to back up or counter-attack. Maul got a good kick on Obi, but I'd say the Padawan's saber-strike was better. And Maul didn't get knocked down or pushed back for no reason. This can't be argued. Obi was just that good. And that's merely a fraction of what Mace could have done. A fraction. Windu could have taken Jinn and Kenobi himself, and fairly easily.
1.Theres no way dooku is stronger than sidious just give it up, in the ROTS novelization(heheh) dooku says among other things sidious is"beyond power, a horizon on the force, darkness beyond darkness" you dont talk about somone that way if there weaker than you.
2. The sidious-yoda fight was a tie at best for yoda, and if mace actually beat sidious that means mace>yoda correct? But wait mace>yoda is complete bs...
3.When mace said this he was refering to when they battled akks on nar shadaa, she displayed greater swordsmanship than his own and she was using the lightside. Depa may have been using the darkside in their duel together but it doesnt really matter she still won, you dont handicap ragnos because he used the dark side do you?
4.Kar vastor, convenient you knew about him earlier but just suddenly forgot about him.
5.What you say goes against GL and what GL says is the only absolute evidence we have.
6.The ep III novelization is went through word for word by GL, he intended to make sidious look good because guess what? Sidious is that damn clever and powerful.
7. GL said it himself vader is 80% of the emperor that is fact. And stop using lame excuses like vader is"slow and weak" you know thats just being bias and doesnt add anything to the argument.
Jeez, Vengeance, give it up. You KNOW that Mace could take either Maul or Vader out of the fight temporarily witha good Force Push in the ilk of Kenobi's on Grievous. This would work better on Maul, as Vader's Raw Power would assist his deflection of this attack.
TEMPORARY. Read the post. Did you see ROTS? If you did, you would have seen Obi throw Grievous fifty feet into the air with one push. Obi. Maul's Force attack pushed Obi onto his back, and slid him across the floor. I wonder. If Maul's Push did squat, and Obi's threw a guy a through the air and onto a catwalk, and Mace is stronger than the guy who threw Grievous, wouldn't that mean Mace could chuck Maul around like hell? Yes. Maul's Force would add some resistance, but not nearly enough. Mace would throw him down and incapacitate him for a few moments, and take the time to eradicate Vader by shattering his suit through saber or Force, preferably the former.
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The sidious-yoda fight was a tie at best for yoda, and if mace actually beat sidious that means mace>yoda correct? But wait mace>yoda is complete bs...
Holy....
YODA LOST AGAINST SIDIOUS!
How hard is that to understand? Honestly!
And comparing other people because one lost to the same individual in a fight is just stupid.
Anything can happen on the Battlefield.
Say Yoda and Mace were fighting....
Just because Yoda was beat by Sidious and Mace beat Sidious doesn't mean Mace will beat Yoda.
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What are you talking about, sure I think sidious won also but Im saying it was a tie to be generous, and If a>b and b>c then a>c that isnt hard to understand.
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Off with the kid's gloves, Vengeance... You're becoming a thorn in our sides...
1) The ROTS novelisation is barely Eu-level quasi-canon, since it contradicts the movies in several places, one of which was reminded to me about Ki Fisto's head being taken and put on Sidious' desk. The novelisation is a fanboy's bible and it holds about as much weight with me as wet toiletpaper holds a river.
2) If a dog can kill you with a lucky bite to the neck, but the same dog couldn't kill a fly, is You<dog<fly logically correct? didn't think so. Try a logics class.
3) Again, you're taking things out of context. If Obi-Wan says Anakin is strong and wise and smart, is it neccessarily true? No. And Mace is proud of his padawan, and saw good talent in her that day and reflected as such. Is she better? No. He trained her, not the other way around. Mace has knowledge and experience with a lightsaber Depa can't even fathom. So again, bad logic.
4) I've never even pretended to know who the hell this person is, so don't mistake me.
5) This is a line of bullshit.
6) GL went through it word by word? Prove up. That's what I say. Prove the **** up.
7) GL said Vader is 80% of the Force potential and power of Sidious, not that he is 80% the swordsman. Again, taken out of context and twisted to fit your own biased, fanboyisn needs. Great Vengeance, your logic is on a whole new level of untrue, I swear.
Your grasping at straws, I really dont have the patience for this anymore think what you want, and btw anyone who doesnt agree with you is a thorn in your side?
What did you say at all besides a bunch of bs? That you>dog>fly??? That the OFFICIAL ROTS novelization is barely EU? That you dont know who kar vastor is but you discussed it earlier with me when we were talking about shatterpoint? The point that what GL says is canon is full of shit?
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