I'll give you that Wolverine is tough and stubborn but, imo, he doesn't have the same will power as a GL. Who is more similar to Hal "Mr. Will Power" Jordan, Slade or Wolverine? Wolverine has a hard time controlling himself while Slade and Hal are the epitome of self control. Where has he shown the focus and concentration needed?
Being tough is not the same as having a lot of will power. If he had GL-level will power he wouldn't slip into berserker rages or would have conquered them long ago (he's over a hundred years old for pete's sake). It appears to take a very specific type of person to use or even attempt to use a GL ring and there is no evidence that Wolverine is that type of person.
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berskerer rages are not a common thing that wolvie slips into.. more often than not he has allowed himself to go into a berserker rage because he WILLED himself to do so... (hence concious effort).
Wolverine has displayed his amount of focus and willpower through much of his samurai, and martial arts training.. I thought that would have been obvious...
Wolverine has been commented several times as having some of the greatest will power on the entire x-squad... which at the time had some 30 members..
sorry but again.. in a contest of wills you have one guy who's already displayed some heavy self doubt concerning his will power and then you've got wolverine who when focused becomes more a force of nature in mind than a man... in a contest of wills I go with the guy who ignores his mortality.
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don't get me wrong I know how powerful Gl's are.. there's no misconception about that.. but there's a good chance of them getting in close and if that happens GL's in trouble...
not that I don't recongnize that a gl is completely more than capible of putting wolverine down...
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Well, Wolverine would require a lot of plot devices and off the wall chances to even remotely think of maybe collecting a win, while GL wins just by deciding to act at the beginning of the fight. Given that he has no defense against ANY GL attack. That should be your clue. Wolvie gets maybe 1 in a million billions or something, but probably even less than that..
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and yet slade... sorry I think the chances that GL would get drawn up close are a bit better than one in a million-bilion considering his past track record.
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PIS, Kyle proved he could take down Slade instantly in his own series. Even as a rookie no less. He merely though of Slade being captured, and there he had it. A GL just has to think, and wins. That's all. Wolverine has no chance, give it up.
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Ah yes, I forgot about all of Wolverine's fabled samurai training the problem is that so did Wolverine. Just how often does he actually use that in combat? Anybody can undergo samurai training (as they were analogous to the medieval knights of Europe and thus more of a social class more than anything else). Having martial arts training doesn't automatically grant you staggering will power. The myth of the samurai is a western fallacy.
All that proves is that none of the other members of the X-squads could use a GL ring either.
There are about four humans in the DC universe that have been able to use the GL rings effectively. Wolverine doesn't compare to them in the will power department. He is a man who struggles just not to be an animal, I don't think he's up to using one of the most powerful weapons in the universe.
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and yet his feats would prove that wolverine does indeed have a chance...
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you asked for a display of his focus.. while training may not directly help gain willpower that's not what i was trying to prove... (please try to keep up)... training does however grant one discipline, control, self discipline, and that's all through focus.
Wolverine actually uses his training in combat more than you may think... look up "wolverine misconceptions" in the search box and see the thread that comes up (it will be crossed out as things got rather out of control in that thread).. consider those are only a few examples...
you're right.. it's obviously not a testiment to wolverine's will power considering their collective feats.. pffft..
again you're sole proof of this was an argument that made use of a general wolverine misconception.... and again his feats of will power prove otherwise... it takes more than general toughness to walk through an inferno like nothing happened.. that's willpower
and AGAIN you're making an argument of wolverine USING the ring when I'm not trying to argue that he would or could... just that his will power is a majr problem for a GL to overcome in a contest of wills...
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All a GL has to do is set their ring to auto fire on anything that moves and Wolverine is done. As this is an actual fight there is little chance Wolverine will catch any GL off guard. All they have to do is hover 30 ft in the air and they are out of his range. If the GL stands still with his eyes closed and his sticking ring hand out humming "its a small world after all" Wolverine might last 5 seconds.
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Carl - "No, the real point is: I don't give a damn."
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which contradicts the rule of cis... sorry but again you're arguing against feats and the way things are where as your argument is a premise set up around how you want them to be...
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None of which Wolverine ever displays Aparrently he didn't learn his lessions too well.
Gee imagine that, Wolverine fans getting out of hand...
Yes I am and no it isn't. Not every superhero has a lot of will power. Most mutants are portrayed as normal humans who happen to be born with superpowers. So basically Wolverine has more will power than a randam group of people. That isn't very impressive.
What misconception? That I don't hold Wolverine in as high reguard as you do? Wolverine is tough but toughness isn't what allowed Slade to interfer with Kyle's ring. Wolverine has a hard enough time keeping himself under control in a fight much less attempt to interfer with a gl and their ring.
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A common misconception, is that Wolverine is a male.
In fact, Logan is a mutated transvestite, with long, indestructible, unbreakable false fingernails.
I would love to watch Hal remove Logan's skeleton, and have a puppet show with the floppy flesh pouch that is left over, while it moans and gurgles, (since it would be trying to heal itself, even without bones)
Hehe. I'm glad.
I just had this image of when Thanos had the Infinity Gauntlet, and they went through a dream sequence or something, and he turned Logan's bones into rubber, and his body just flopped on the ground.
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