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I agree with darthsith on this one. Vos doesn't have the experience and style mastery that Luminara has. It doesn't hurt that she hasn't really lost a battle and was the best Soresu practitioner besides Obi-Wan. And she's older than Obi-Wan, more dextrous and has amazing Force mastery (The Approaching Storm, Medstar Duology, Cloak of Deception.) so I find it hard to believe that some undisciplined half-jedi would beat her in a fight.
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The dark side. Pfff. Obi-Wan has proven in his fight with Anakin/Vader that Soresu is more than a match for the dark side. If Vos were to use the dark side he wouldn't stand a chance.
He also proved with Dooku that Soresu sucks. And Vos is proficient in Makashi.
Throw Agen around? If I remember correctly he was had to run to escape (although he had no choice cause he was really still a Jedi).
Vos didn't want to kill Agen. That's the difference.
Luminara not in Kolar's league? Please, stop now. As if she wouldn't be able to block at least one swing from Sidious.
She wouldn't AT ALL. She would get her shit tossed all over the damn office.
I don't think she has any fear. She's pretty much the perfect Jedi.
Perfect enough to die during Order 66?
Wait! Vos survived Order 66. Luminara didn't! That's Ironic, now isn't it?
Maul didn't use Vaapad. And doesn't Vos use Makashi?
Yes, he does. Was trained by Dooku. He was also trained some Vapaad by Mace. More than one move. That's silly. I think his first form was Djem So....
He knows of at least three forms. That would be why he slaughtered a group of Nightsisters and killed a Century old Dark Jedi.
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It does appear that Soresu is weak against Makashi.
Would you mind saying where you found out that Vos uses Makashi?
WTF, of course she'd block a few swings, even Kit blocked what, 2 or 3. I didn't say she'd do good just that she'd do better than Agen did.
She'd the perfect Jedi in the sense that she follows all the rules and trains and follows the code and stuff. To be strong isn't to be perfect. Anakin's strong. Is he perfect?
Yeah, and Mace didn't survive either So I guess Vos>Mace!
Does it ever say he was trained to use Makashi?
What? When?
Oooooooooo. Wow, he did all that. I guess he does beat Luminara then
No, seriously, if you can give me a source that says he known Makashi then I'll agree with you that't he'd win. If not then I say Luminara all the way.
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Dooku is also the only living master of Makashi in his time, with perhaps Cin Drallig running a close second. He shouldn't be compared at all with the runt Vos.
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And to follow up on that point, it would be like saying that because Mace with Vaapad/Juyo can pwn Sidious, Maul could pwn Sidious too since he knows most of Juyo.
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I would argue that Obi-Wan was A ) the focus of Dooku's aggression, since even the novelistion points to Dooku wanting to isolate Anakin by means of eliminating Obi-Wan, and B ) Obi-Wan wasn't able to just sit back and defend, he had to mesh with Anakin which meant being offensive for a change. Notice that every time he went offensive with Dooku he got owned.
Very true. But I still think Soresu is weak against Makashi. Moving to AOTC, Anakin is weaker than Obi-Wan but lasted longer against Dooku which means either Anakin's form is good against Makashi or Soresu is bad against Makashi or some of each.
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It's also entirely possible that Dooku knows both of their moves well, and he decided to toy with Anakin for longer. Dooku vastly outclasses both with sheer knowledge and practice, and his form is the most complete saber to saber form out there. Saying Soresu is weak against it is as about as accurate as saying that Maul's Juyo is weak against Obi-Wan's Ataru; it's all relative to the skill and completion of the user. Dooku can potentially destroy all saber opposition of his era because his form is the most complete for saber to saber duelling. This doesn't make Soresu weak at all. You're taking a 40 some year old Soresu master and comparing him to a 70 some year old Makashi master and coming to the conclusion that Makashi > Soresu in all its forms.
This is also contradictory to the basic description of Soresu, which includes its master being invincible to offense should the form be mastered, but being unable to press the attack, instead being limited to counter attack.
Yeah but he wanted to take both of them out and it doesn't seem like he was toying with either of them.
It didn't seem like Dooku was toying with Anakin. He wasn't taunting him or anything, and in the novel Anakin actually does better than he did in the movie and Dooku complements him.
Jan 6th, 2006 03:34 AM
So I guess Vos>Mace!
