i heard they choose not to wear most of the time but they sometimes still do. either way the topic creator didn't specify wich weapons it has in the match.
It really doesn't matter though. stealth camo + Pointy metal weapon +Faster and greater strength then the turtles and maybe even chewy= win for the pred
I wouldnt totally agree with that. True enough the Pred has stealth, but the turtle have been trained in the art of ninjistu. They are capable of fighting an unseen foe. Plus they also have about 4 pointy weapons to the Preds 1. I do agree that the Pred would be stronger than them. Im not so sure about the speed however. Thats just my opinion. I dont doubt that the Pred would be faster than Chewie though. Although it could be debated if hes stronger. I think the 5 have a real good chance to pull off more victiries than losses.
they May been training in ninjitsu for most of their lives to fight unseen human foes. Put the elder isn't a human. And with his tech when he's unseen he really is unseen.
And Elders are Great in hand to hand combat. 300-900 years of fighting experience will do that. Even If they have pointy weapons they would have to fight him to land a hit in the first place.
Speed wise i heard they can run after speeding cars and catch up with them to get their prey. I heard someone say this before. don't know if it's true.
But i do know is that they have leg muscles strong enough to propel themselves 25 feet into the air. To have leg muscles that strong that they can lift a 400 pound beast loaded in weapons and armor and still jump as if it were nothing I'd say they would have to be pretty fast.
When the Pred was cloaked in Pred 1, he was seen quite a few times. As well as Part 2. And thats before the eyes glowed. Hell, Billy even sensed the Pred in the area. Id imagine 4 highly trained ninjas wouldnt have that much of a problem.
True Elders are good h2h combatants, but how good are they? They could have 900 years of boxing experience for all we know. What or who have they fought that has excellent h2h combat skills? Besides Aliens, theres Batman and they still dont dominate.
What 400 lb beast did a Pred lift and jump with? Im saying they arent fast, but the Turtles are fast as well. And a Pred wouldnt be that fast to the point where hed be a blur to the 5. Thats just my opinion on things.
When I said beast i meant the pred himself. Then you have the fact that they can keep up with aliens. Who are also very fast.
And the stealth camo is slightly visble only when he moves. he stays still he can become completely invisible. You can walk into him and you wouldn't even know he was there.
how good of hand to hand? They have hunted for so long that they look for other means of sport. Either training in many forms of combat they got their own own style and even some human ones. Or they can becoming Pred cops. You live for 900 years you can get tired of doing the same thins over and over,
Besides an elder wouldn't give his possession away by taunting his victems like the first two did. Or moving about directly in front of his prey. The glowing eyes ,the taking off your armor and weapons because you underestimate your prey. Or getting your hand and guts taken off by your own weapon(which was very pathetic) Wouldn't happen in a fight with an elder.
Sorry about the weight confusion. Theres no way theyre close to the aliens in running speed imo. In the first 2 Aliens movies, it was pretty close quarters and the Alien(s) coverend alot of ground by just palying the walls. Now given a quarter mile run, i think the Alien dusts the Pred. Les not even mention jumping. Now when it comes to close quarter combat and hand movements, then yea ill say the Pred is real close.
Although youre right about the cloaking being more visible when the Pred is moving, in the 1st movie when Mac and Dillon spotted the Pred, he wasnt really moving that much. He was just perched on the tree brach. They spotted him from about 30 yards away. Its not he was running or anything. He was pretty much still. Now if the Elder is still,whats he gonna do? Unless he has all the equipment, hes not really doing much either. I have to ask my friend what weapond the Elders carry, cause i could have sworn it was only blades and a spear. I tihnk there was 1 who had a sword. I think it was either Broken Tust or another Elder.
True theyve hunted for so long, but we dont even know what theyve hunted. When fighting in Pred 1, it was stright boxing. In Pred 2 it was hack and slash. In AvP, it was wrestling (seemingly). I dont doubt that theyve learned alot. Its just not clear on what extent of fighting theyve encountered and learned. The Pred didnt underestimate In Pred 1. He was honorable as all Pred are. If youre unarmed they fight in h2h combat cause it wouldnt be very sporting of them. Especially for an Elder Pred. In Pred 2, he did try to catch Glover off guard a couple of times. Once with the spear on the roof. He just missed. However the Turtles and Chewie have their regular weapons im assuming, but we dont know what weapons the Elder is carrying.
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well the boxing and crappy showing in AVP can be excused because there just teenagers. At least to me it is. I sort of see it as a cub scout compared to a Marine(the elders that is compared to the ones in the previous movies)
The hack and slash was another thing. They weren't elders so maybe they still haven't learned? or maybe they were to confident in there weapons? who knows. i just know i saw more skill in the teenage pred that took on the queen in AVP then the seasoned hunters that took on Danny and arnold. It's just weird.
The taking off your weapons can be excused as honorable. i guess you can see it that way. i just see as him playing with his prey some more then getting caught in a his trap.. The getting your hand sliced and getting yourself gutted with your own weapon isn't honorable or a good showing for the warrior either. But he had been shot up and losing blood before that so maybe that was why he was beaten by a old human.
The young ones in AVP didn't show that honor and courtesy to the unarmed guy they sliced open before they entering the Pyramid. I guess each pred is different.
As for what can they do if thee standing still? Maybe they can throw a spear right after there 5 feet in front of them. it's bound to hit something and do a alot of damage.
with blades? wait till there close enough then use the element to surprise and to strike i guess? Or stretch them so far that they don't even have to get that close to hit them.
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Actually, the 2 Preds who actually fought in AvP showed better combat skills than the Preds from 1 and 2. But theres no doubt that the Elders would have done better. However the Pred in part 2 was the best at tactics and weponry that all shown imo.
Personally, think the Pred from part 2 overall was the best out of all Preds shown in movies. The Pred in 1 just sucked to me. All he did was stay in the trees and shoot from the shoulder cannon. Part 2's Pred literally took on gang, after gang, after gang. I always tease my Pred loving friends because i always say that Preds arent s**t witout the shoulder cannon and Predator 1 and AvP proved that.
The young pred that killed the guy at the bottom of the pyramid was armed. When he came to, he grabbed the gun didnt he?
You have to remember that if they are cloaked, the spear would also stay cloaked as long as its not retracted. Once that happens, the spear then becomes uncloaked as show at the beginning of AvP. However they can get 1 with that tactic. Maybe even 2, but as soon as that happens, it gives away his position.
Id just like to see an Elder in action. Maybe someone who has the books can post something, cause all i can say for now is that they have 1000 + hunts and are the most experienced. Yet carry the least amount of weapons.
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